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- bug0
if you put an "F" infront of "art"...it's funny.
- brundlefly0
bug gets it.
no design isn't art, but many artists are working as designers....
but I would guess its around 10-15%
the rest are pixel pushers.
- Nac0
Here you go baby, I have the ultimate question to determine if designers are artists or not...
What is Art?????
anyone care to take 500 alex? (trebek... so you guys don't all think I am crazy or something)
- zeroblade0
be thankful, cos artists works are worth more only when they're dead.
i'd rather be a live pauper designing japanese shite that feeds me the peanuts i need.
- lilbabyleg0
there is a certain artistic element to design. but not all designers are artists. and furthermore you can be a great designer and still not be a good artist.
design is organizing and conveying a message that is most often not that of the designer.
an artist creates the message itself and finds ways to convey it.
- enobrev0
if there were an actual definition to art, artists would be boring.
- mrlerone0
Art doesn't need to have a function, whilst design relies on it.
If you think you're an *artist* you're probably not a very good designer. More an illustrator? They lie somewhere between the two, expressing themselves through their personal visual style, and just hoping that enough clients will buy their produce.
- rasko40
sounds to me that anyone who is so keen to be called an 'artist' for these seemingly pretentious / superficial reasons is not really an 'artist' but rather a puppet or a pretender. I would expect an artist to be someone who is compelled to do what they do with little care for titles or decoration.
- r_gaberz0
hm.... hmmm.... hmmmm
designing is an art
design itself is not.nah.. that's stupid bullshit.
The question is if people like "greyscale" are doing art or design.nah ... that is also useless... I'll leave the thread now.
- rasp0
i stopped reading halfway down.
i agree with rise.
- rasp0
i'm back, vanilla ice is on a mission, to talk about contrast, alignment, and repetition.
proximity, so smooth, it makes me UGH UGH wanna bust a move.
rise
(feb 16 04)
- bull0
Can't believe this debate is still going on. Sheesh!
Here's the way I see it.
You can be an artist if you like, you can be a designer if you like. You can't push the two together to give what you do more gravity.
You can create art through the same mediums as you create a design, but art and design exsist on completely different levels, in that art's function is simply to 'be art'. This obviously brings in to question the fateful 'what is art?' thing. I guess the answer to that is, don't ask. Artists don't ask what art is. They know what art is the same way as someone in love knows what love is, you just can't write it down in such a way that the average fuckwit newmedia grad will fathom.
What folks need to do is look at the history of art, find out WHY certain abjects are art, what are the criteria they fulfill. Go fom there . .
For example, the Duchamp urinal is art because the New York Independants Society decided that anyone who could fill in a form and pay $6 could exhibit. this effectively made anyone with literacy skills and $6 an artist. Thats the reason why cans of shit and bricks and melons and sharks can be art.
Fucking hell, I'm going off on one now.
Anyway, some designers are artists too. Some are also fathers, or skaters, or writers, or hookers, or whatever.
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- anon25730
Design is tart
Tarts are designWelcome to Shoreditch.
- nde4k0
This months Art Review has an article concerning the above...
for anyone who wants to step outside.
- smellvetica0
i've had "designers and illustrators.. same fucking thing aren't they."
that was from a fine artist who now uses a mac to scan in paintings.. ignorant .
- withnail0
I hate it more when a client condescendingly refers to a designer as an artist- i.e. an impractical airhead esthete with no awareness of the real world
- ribit0
Using the sorta generic 'designer' title is probably an issue here too...
How would people refer to an architect... artist?
- bug0
i think it's cool to be both, that's why i am...it makes life easier. if you wanna call me an artist, go for it. if you think i'm a designer, great. as long as you like and respect what i push out, who gives a shit.
word to your mother.
- bug0
...and "F" in front of "art" is still funny...
- tripleflux0
architects are artistic engineers who dress really well!