mock up check
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- dconstrukt0
they are simple....i like them...but the thing is, I dont have the images to work with a layout that size.
i cant stretch the images to fit. so I'm fucked.
sure I can make it look nice like the acura site.....but when i go to put an image in and its 20% of the size it needs to be....then what?
i'm fucked.
Thats my problem. plus the other sites have a lot more content...i dont.
- atomica0
It is a little poison looking, just look into some color theory and go with a color that most represents their goal. They are trying to sell something right. I have to reinforce everyone elses statement, don't build around a photo you think is cool, or you feel limited too. Thats bad news bears. Think out a concept that will help sell them better. As for the flux idea, it is an awesome example of the direction you should probably think, since you're limited photowise... the emphasis on type and shape should be your friend. Indeed. I also agree its rather small. Don't say its cause the photo.... thats not good designer talk... maybe...
- ********0
"Simplifying your buisness by doing lots of crazy matrix effects"
- dconstrukt0
where is this flux site?
- peteski0
good skills. did not read the other posts. the $ is way too strong/prominent. and if you're good with the colors so am I.
- dconstrukt0
the flux site is nice but its too designy i personally dont think something like that is right for what I'm trying to do.
i think we tend to design things too much.....
"we" meaning designers as a whole.
my take is that clients want to be shown how to make money with the investment...the site.
i suppose I tend to mix design with business...whereas maybe some of you guys dont....
its not a knock on anyone..i wish i wasn't able to think like this sometimes cause I feel like it limits my creativity....
I need to work on my concepting as far as design goes...
with me its like either i have a kick ass idea or i dont...if i dont i'm in deep shit. it could take a while for me to come up with anything worthwhile.
anyone got any ideas about that one?
workin on a different version of it...slightly different
lol
- atomica0
LOL. go directly to school. Design is all about the business. It's about communicating and selling the most effectively. The fact that you're blind to that in this case scares me. I don't think we're saying, "make something trendy artsy cool" We're saying you put yourself infront of a small variety of stock photos with no inspiration aka a brick wall. If you stopped on your first idea you're not trying to sell that product effectively, IMHO. Argh. Sorry if any of thats offensive or anything..... its just about strategy and concept, and the customer -> client relationship.
- dconstrukt0
heres an updated version....
the client seems to like the overall layout.
itsgoing to be centered and have some type of a bg around it with a bit of white space.
i'm not 100% sure of the images yet as I need to figure that shit out....
ideas?
its for a telecom consulting co.
i've checked out the "competition" and their sites ALL look like shit.
Thats who i'm going to go after next.
if i had a few designers that were good programmers as well i could outsource the work......
i think i'm able to get a bunch of jobs in the next couple of months....
anyone up for it?
thanks for ALL the responses guys.
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- dconstrukt0
thanks atomica.....
"The fact that you're blind to that in this case scares me"
blind to selling the most effectively?
I never assumed nor thought that anyone was saying make something trendy cool, not sure where you got that from, maybe thats your take on it.....its certainly not mine.
i posted this up because its a MOCK UP. its NOT a finished idea.....its in the beginning stages....so I'd suggest you think about that first.
I understand where you're coming from but you also need to understand where i am coming from as well.
its a mock up...not a finished piece...not by far. i'm exploring different things.....
tomorrow i might wake up with a killer concept and start working on it...and guess what? it might be 100% different than this one.
you're telling me all this stuff but its not helping becuase you're not explaining it....
remember the saying: telling isnt selling.
sell me on what you're telling me.
lol
i'm not mad.....i need to get stoned. :o)
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- atomica0
You just kept saying they wouldn't dig the designing and the artsy.... We all understand its a mockup. But you make it sound like a sealed deal when you say "I'm limited with my photos and size" We offered suggestions that involved other aspects of design. Stuff thats just as if note more effective/timeless as a stock photo. It was an offered route. And you responded by saying it doesn't sell. That was the blindness I was referring to. That was pretty naive. Thats all I'm saying. Does that explain it better? You kept nailing that stuck with a photo fact. Don't be that guy. Thats all I gotta say. Happy tokin'.
- dconstrukt0
atomica, i understand where you're coming from.
and i registered to the stock site...so that should help.
but you cant reasonably compare a site like acura or saab with the budgets to have sweet photos to this.
i dont see anything special concept wise with those sites....the acura site was simple...no concept.
I was referring to the one site with the orange or the flux site someone posted in this thread.....and overall i was referring to designers in general.....
i'll work around what i have to however I think you're missing my points.
cheers
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- atomica0
I didn't reccomend going saab or acura :) I simply reinforced the idea that your design might need some conceptual and 'design' reinforcement. An old prof of mine said stock photos were the easy way out. Its become much like clip artistry sometimes...I'm going to bed to dream a better dream.
- monkeyshine0
hey dconstrukt,
The revised layout is looks less focussed to me than the one you first posted. The content just seems like its floating...and expand the leading a bit...too tight and small for waning eyes. What's up with the 2nd headline? It's centered and the first headline is not quite left justified but not centered. On the top, my eye is drawn to that dead abyss of space to the right of the logo.
I don't feel like you're feeling it. Doesn't seem like you have a good grasp on the goals of your client...maybe I'm wrong.
Don't mean to be hard on you...I know its sometimes brutal posting work here, but its good for you too if you can take it in.
- dconstrukt0
i agree with you.
i like the saab and acura sites but the point i was making with that one is its an unfair comparison....
i'm looking into alternatives to stock images if possible....
i dont' have much of a budget so buying them isnt an issue.....
so explain a bit more about what you ARE saying.....maybe some examples?
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- dconstrukt0
monkey...thanks for the heads up....
its cool, i knew i needed some feedback and i got some good stuff...
i'm not sure if i'm feeling it...i mean i like the layout....i think it works with what he wanted....but i think overall the imagery and certain aspects are lacking.....
usually i'll go and see what the competition is doing and one up them.....in this case the competitions sites are horrendous.
i'm not sure how to go about it with this client......
need to come up with some type of conept and execution......
sometimes you just dont have the "magic".......its either black or white with me.....no grey.
back to the drawing board.
fuck.
ideas? suggestions? examples?
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- monkeyshine0
Totally know what you mean. It's really hard to work on a project when you're not feeling it...this usually happens to me when there is a lack of dialog between me and client.
Maybe you need to step back from this for now. Step away from the computer. Go to the bookstore and browse all sorts of books. Think about the nature of your client's business. You said competitors' sites suck...what is it that is lacking in them? Think about your client's customer-base. Why do they come to the site? What is they need?
Good luck.
- AssassinAve0
I checked out your site and your site looks nearly exactly like all the site you design. What is with the ten thousands line scorlling thing i have to do?
And most of your experience is for get rich quick websites that will be down in a year.
I hope you get paid very well to be haphazard in your approach to design. At the very least you are doing it. Can't say much for myself still be a student.
- dconstrukt0
assassin:
"What is with the ten thousands line scorlling thing i have to do?"
english dude.....speak english. :o)
the mock up is small and should fit within your browser...so im not sure what the scrolling thing you're talking about is.
as for my work, dude, bottom line is regardless of whether you're talking from an uninformed point of view or not, bills need to be paid and I dont care whether someone likes it or not, its work.
they're not get rich quick sites. One of them is mine, and I sell a very good product.
Haphazard? please explain.
you sound very opinionated with little to back it up....so if you're gonna slam me give me some facts.
as one of my professors said to me:
opinions are like assholes...everyones got one.
time to get stoned.
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