Job: Underqualified?
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- werker0
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nope. all true. year was 2001, it was for a large media company. i was the only one that gave up my life for the company. i left, they fired 40% in a reorg... they promoted incompetent people. one of which thought a 25 year old kid (me) would be his pawn in the poilitical power plays they had.
thats what creative directors do at corps. go work at one.
- MrBixler0
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- grafiske0
Clueless indeed. I have been going to school non stop so the business end of this to me is all new, and somewhat interesting, a tad discouraging at times.
How do you feel about designers starting a small business with potential growth? (one person to start, so they cover marketing, accounts, etc)
What do you think in years, would be a solid background to get going, and do it right?
- zaven0
werker, I'm courious, may I see a sample of your works?
cheers
- Mimio0
My CD doesn't do that. He's mainly a manager of the design teams.
- ********0
you sound on targetm yet you might still be in the Junior range, not so sure. It's all BS anyway, if you are a Prodigy then you are a Senior.
- werker0
THATS THE POINT..
I wasnt qualified.. or willing. just passing along some experience. i have met many an incompetent creative director.
production artist has nothign to do with creative direction. i worked for a great CD, she worked with Saul Bass, never touched a computer.. she was the most inspirational person i ever worked for. she also knew how to critique, play politics, and deal with a client. especially important with Annual Report work.
geez
- grafiske0
Curious.. I consider the work from the people on this site and their (for the most part) as some of the best work, if not THE best, out of any online community type, or even people I know, and I assume when things like this are discussed, we are talking about good firms who are making solid and innovative work.
I could imagine being able to bullshit a run of the mill company who has no good ideas into letting me do something important.. I think you get the point.
Are we on the same page? Or is even "difficult" to get a higher-up job at a shitty firm?
- shellie0
grafiske,
get a job as a jr. put in a couple years.. you might get lucky.. if you really have it together and get a job as a mid level straight out of college. and well.. thats impressive and not many people can swing that.
there are some things school just cant teach you and you have to learn on the job. thats what being a jr is all about. dont jump into some
if someone is offering you a high up position to you fresh out of school.. i would be careful. there's a reason why they'd give a kid that much responsibility. its because either they cant pay, the company sucks, they want to take advantage of you, or they really just have no idea how inexperienced you are.
it would be way better career wise to take a jr position at a really awesome firm than to take a high up position at a crappy one. they'll probably pay you the same in the long run anway. working at a shitty firm can really fuck up your portfolio later. just a thought.
hope that helps.
p.s. don't try to start a buisness until you have some industry experience or you will drown.
- unknown0
yeaman.. this is bullshit! 2/3 years and all this...
dude, if you got what it takes, go for the senior...
everyone knows that all the crazy cool stuff is made by us kids anyway... :P
- shellie0
derek... you're very young. you should read my post above.
being a sr. means a lot more responsibility. being an AD or a CD is even more. you could end up landing yourself a job that'll get you in a career breaking bind if you don't have some good industry experience... period.
especially if you work in the entertainment industry whatsoever.
if your ambitious, you could certainly move up very fast. its not uncommon to see very young art directors in their mid 20's. but they too put in their time.
- foRz0
if you wanna start as a junior and put in a couple of years there...you'll probably quit deisgn and start smoking crack.
-stay home, krank out work for yourself, revamp your site with alot of personal and freelance shit (some of your PS design stuff looks pretty good) maybe work some bullshit junior design position, and in like a year, no more, sell tyour self as a snior designer....thats the way to go.
- grafiske0
Thank you both Shellie and Derek. Although I appreciate the enthusiasm from Derek, I am a month into my internship and I am seeing all the things that I could not handle, or at least handle properly, especially the first time around.
I do agree with Derek that young minds come up with some great ideas. Although I am 23. I am on my way out in the fresh young minds category.