health care USA style
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- werker
I know i have posted some silly things today but this isn't.
We need to hire new designers, but we can't because of health care costs. I talk to small bizz owners, and they all have the same problem.
Seems like this is the fundamental issue with the US economy. My monthly bill is $800.
I hear the Canadian economy is doing much better, and they are also On Top of US. I think Canada is on top of us in many ways. Curious to how health care is effecting other economies.
I remember when I didnt have health insurance and had to sit in an inner city emergency room for 13 hours for a sprained knee to see doogie howser. i had to sneak out to avoid payment.
- unknown0
The most important aspect of the social and political crisis in America is the colossal concentration of wealth and growth of social inequality. Just last week the Internal Revenue Service issued a report showing that the top 400 taxpayers in the US accounted for over 1 percent of all income earned in the year 2000. All told, these 400 individuals took in $70 billion in this one year. This is more than double the share of the national income accounted for by the 400 largest taxpayers only eight years earlier.
Translation: We are fucked
- unknown0
Well, I can tell you that public health care helps everyone. Health shouldn't be something people make money off. Only in the US you have a bunch of health companies, lawyers and insurance companies making money out of people's health. It personally makes me sick. There is no reason for US not having public health care, but my God how will all the doctors, lawyers and other sh*theads pay for their mercedes and multimillion dollar house. Strange, considering the US is suppose to be the most human oriented society. Vote for that new democratic candidate on the next presidential elections. I listened to his proposal about new health care plan, it's definitely a move forward.
- unknown0
Howard Dean? Kerry?
Who?
- instantok0
i agree healthcare should be public...
no fair blaming doctors though...they want it too...you think they like paying out the ass for malpractice insurance or watching a patient die because they dont have enough coverage?
a local hospital shut down its trauma ward in protest a few months back...at least some people are starting to try...a long way to go tho
- Nirvous0
Wealthy people are to blame for the healthcare situation? I dont see how the top 1% has anything to do with your doctor visit.
Doctors are the problem because they drive a Mercedes? Give me a break. They drive a Mercedes because they spent 6 more years in college and were smart enough to pass the entrance exam. There is no such thing as public healthcare ... it is a private institution. You are about ENTITLED to free healthcare as you are to free beer. If you feel stepped on by "The Man" then work harder and make a bigger paycheck. Easy solution. The government is not there to sure you have cable tv, cellphones, and free medicine.
::quietly steps off soapbox::
- Bluejam0
Eat apples.
- Jamesh0
maybe this guy would have a clue?
http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/…
Also, Bush Sr sat on the board at Eli Lilly as did Kenneth Lay.
And Rumsfeld sat on the board at Pharmacia.
Bill Frist, formerly a surgeon, has been tapped to be the new Senate Majority Leader. On the eve of Lott's racist self-immolation, the Homeland Security Bill made its way through Congress. Originally a Democratic concept, the legislation to create a Homeland Security Department to defend the nation against terrorism was graced with a number of strange amendments.
Oddest among them was an amendment protecting the pharmaceutical corporate giant Eli Lilly from any and all lawsuits pertaining to their manufacture of thimersol, a mercury-based preservative for childhood vaccines produced by Lilly for 40 years that has been CONNECTED TO THE DEVELOPEMENT OF AUTISM in children. Thousands of families seeking redress for the neurological disorders their children suffer have been sent packing, because Lilly has a contract with the U.S. government to provide vaccines against biological weapons. One hopes thimersol is not included in the processing this time around
- unknown0
Nirvous,
YES there is something as public healthcare..most of the countries in Europe have public healthcare, in Canada as well. Term public healthcare is used when all people pay a small amount of money to the government to have it, but the good thing is if you ever get seriously ill or you need a surgery or just an examination you don't have to pay for it, you just go and visit the hospital. I just hope that nothing happens to you in the terms of serious surgery of something like that in the US, cause then you would realize how bad things are. Let me give you an example:
I met a guy who worked at SouthWest airlines, he had a good job and his employer covered 100% of his insurance. Then after all this economic sh*t started to happen he got layed off and lost the coverage. His wife has serious health problems and she already had 3 complex operations. One day I met him and the man almost started crying. I asked him what's wrong and he said that his wife's condition is bad again and that she needed another surgery but his new employer only covers 75% of insurance and since the operation costs like $300.000 he needs to come up with $75.000 bucks to cover the whole thing. So what is this man suppose to do? And please don't tell me that it is a normal price for a doctor or a hospital to charge 300.000 bucks for an operation. That's because they have sooo many expenses right? You see, for the wealthy man, or another doctor or a lawyer or whatever it's not a problem to even pay the whole 300.000 bucks, but for a normal person this is unimaginable. I'm not saying that lawyers and doctors and whoever doesn't deserve to get a lot of money, but man they are not the only human beings in the world. Some people actually do not have the money to cover themselves. So now, for these people, they should die, right?
Very cold, if you ask me.
- unfittoprint0
public healthcare is a countrie's obligation [and/or objective]. At least where I come from.
- srvollmer0
public healthcare? "you just go to the hospital when you're sick"?
so, in the states we have public school, which i am a product of. in those schools are underpaid teachers who take little pride in their jobs. the children go there for "free", which leaves very little money for wages, tools...etc.
SOOOO, let's say that we do this to our medical system. How will doctors be paid? Andif they make a whopping 30k a year, then how do you expect them to justify $175k in college debt?
Think before you ask for free shit.
- unfittoprint0
I what's the problem with a public school. Problably in the US but not here.
- unknown0
srvollmer,
I think you are a bit blind man. First of all the reason why the teachers have small salaries is exclusively because of the big hospitals, private colleges and so on. That's where the true government solves the problem. It gives doctors, teachers and other very important professions the most money exactly because they deal with human lives (directly or indirectly). I come from Europe originally and I know what I'm talking about. The problem here in the US is with the government not doing their job correctly. I can start talking about this in detail but it would take too much time. When I say doing their job correctly, that doesn't mean they don't know how, it means that they don't want to. It's much easier to get people in debt, spend the money who knows where, than giving it back to people for a better life.
- octavius0
Ask the teachers in Canada's public schools if their salaries are anything like the doctors in Canada'a public health system. Its not the same thing.
- srvollmer0
Boz-
I'm confused about your statement, and you can choose to not respond, fair enough. Teachers in the states SHOULD get paid as much as doctors, in my opinion. Furthermore, the criteria for becoming a teacher should be as difficult to attain as it is to become a doctor. However, if you've ever known someone getting a degree in education, you'd agree they arent the brightest lightbulb. Of course there are exceptions, so pardon my generalization.My point is that if we make healthcare "free", the medical world will mimic the public schooling world. That is, the government will spend money on stupid shit, not on education or medicine.
By the way, I can see clearly, and have thorough "education" in the matter. I believe we are preaching to similar choirs.
Kindly,
srvollmer
- srvollmer0
Furthermore, when is the last time someone walked into a hospital and didnt get treated?
Never. It's the Hippocratic oath. The very staple of being a medical doctor.
- ********0
piperboy has done some stuff here I believe: http://www.bayercarediabetes.com… click on Kid's Zone
- Mimio0
This thread should read:
"Insurance liability for Medical Providers in letigious societies."
- Mimio0
Designers to the rescue.
Once again.
- srvollmer0
ha!
yes, we have all the answers.
it's hard work having the best sense of style, best taste, and the greatest amount of knowledge on EVERYTHING!haha.
- Bluejam0
Bring advertising into hospitals.
Think of all the real estate on a doctor's/nurse's uniform. Granted they're look like race car drivers with all those logos but think of the revenue! Obviously it's a unique market, only pharm. co's apply.
You could also install tv's into operating theatres...just as patient goes under the knife, stick 'em in front of a tv with continous ad's...they'll be drousy anyway and it'll work on a subliminal tip.
Last but not least, over charge plastic surgery and use the money (a percentage) to pay for operations that really matter.