time sheets
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- carver
i'm in the process of buying an accounts program for my people to fill in their time sheets for my company. i must buy a multi-license for my 18 employees, anybody know the best programs out there??
- carver0
any joy?
- neuarmy™0
nope, no joy in filling out time sheets...
- tjk_work0
We use quickbooks at work
- theflow0
bonkers. We've just got one at my office, I'll find out what it is.
hang on
- theflow0
you could try this
http://www.asp.net/Default.aspx?…
but you'll need a windows webserver and database server.
- chug0
*hssssss* don't mention those foul incarnations ... it burnsssss
- theflow0
they're certainly not a good thing. We've been told that they are not in place to monitor how much work we do, merely to keep an eye on the amount of time we spend on each project.
yeah right.
- BonSeff0
time sheets make employees feel like cattle.
- gato0
Ok i have a huge personal gripe with this concept that we are selling time and that time is money. I have worked in quite a few companies and I really do not think this business model works.
First off lets be honest we are not selling time, we are not selling a product. What we are selling is a realtionship. I feel that your realtionships with your clients are the fundimental foundation for a Design business.
I have found that the idea of time sheets gets in the way of this. I can not tell you the amount of times i have been told to go to a client and infor them that because they are incuring more time on the project that we are going to have to charge them more money. It usual amounts to a couple of grand.
That works great the first time around. The second time they get pissed and well usual there is not third time. So for an extra 3k you just lost a realtionship that could have been worth maybe 20k.
I do not know maybe this is just the diatribe of an angry designer. What do the rest of you all think.
- KingMob0
We use Clients and Profits here at my work. It's a pain in the ass. Don't do it.
- unknown0
Personally, I like paying people per job. Sort of a contract for said work. Then the more they work the more they can make. It weeds out some people that don't work hard and dick around all day surfing NT. I've had people say "man, I am making so much more money, its great." So it breaks it down to, time is their money. Nuff said.
Oh and I have an excel sheet that keeps track of jobs. One a week. That way I can see whos doing what and When it will be done so I can plan the next job for them. Just makes sence. You need to keep good books. Its a must for every solid business.
Good luck
- bhawk0
I agree with the last guy. Time sheets make you feel like you are some what independant. And esier to keep tab on what is going down with project managment. Death too 9 to 5.
- Blofeldt0
Hmmm, seems time sheets are greatly disliked.
Well, we built a bespoke web based program here. It's very useful. Previously we didn't really know how long a job took or have any idea of an average. I know creative work can be quick, can be slow. But if you charge a client extra and they go "what for? you have a detailed report to answer with, rather than "ummm, this and that took longer than expected. In my expereience clients don't mind paying if they know what they're paying for.
I think time sheets work well in a small company (only 9 here) so you know if people are working or not anyway.
I agree, it'd be a bit like you had to prove your productiveness in a big place.