Psychedelic Therapy
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- curiouscat
Has anyone experienced this? Often called a "journey" it typically involves taking a macro dose of MDMA, ketamine, LSD or psilocybin, or these medicines can be stacked together depending on the patient and their intentions.
I've had two now, MDMA and psilocybin stacks. I've had very powerful and profound results. I'm interested to hear if others have tried this form of therapy.
- palimpsest6
I wet the bed then when staying at a strangers house. I was in my 30s, it pretty much had the same effect.
- hahahaPhanLo
- Amazinggarbage
- It was a foldout foam bed. I'm no savage. She deserved it.palimpsest
- Foam bed? You know that pee went deep and forever changed that mattress.Nairn
- Palimpsest lives forever.palimpsest
- Palimpsest is for the mattress, the mattress is not for palimpsest.palimpsest
- your neglecting to mention you did it intentionally with people watchingautoflavour
- Intentionally?
When the cold wet hit me I was woker than a purple haired non binary person. Never saw it coming.palimpsest - ahhh waiting up at strangers house. those were the days.pango
- *wakingpango
- *wankingContinuity
- lol. I once woke up in the basement of this shit house that was on a cliff. It was a legit "where the fuck am I?" moment. Opened the back door..garbage
- ..shadiest fucking fireladder switchback stairset that was rotting off the house. It let to kudzu.garbage
- But I had no idea where I was or whose place this was. I took the kudzu route over whatever was still happening upstairs.garbage
- *led to kudzu. It was seriously unsafe.garbage
- sted1
no thanks, maybe later. i ate enough shrooms for a decade.
- Nairn0
As someone of my age, fuck no.
Me from twenty years ago is screaming into the future void.
- Tops I'm down for 15 - 20 minutes of dissasociation at a time.Nairn
- Disassociating would be the exact opposite approach in this case.curiouscat
- Did you mean Macro or Micro dose?
Former lends itself to my personal sense of dismay. Latter is.. let's talk. I want a powerpoint presentation.Nairn - Macro. Hey, it's not for everyone. The point of this is to associate, go in and deal with your shit. We all have shit to deal with.curiouscat
- mort_2
In the 90s this was just called the weekend.
- curiouscat0
I guess I should have expected this level of response.
- PhanLo0
The guy I work with microdoses mushrooms, really small amounts and he says it keeps him positive.
Woman I went to school has been to a few of the shamen type retreats where they take psychedelics and she seems pretty mellow too.
- curiouscat2
Michael Pollan's documentary based on his book How to Change Your Mind is a great place to start for anyone interested.
- garbage1
I've done em all, but it's more of a holiday thing.
The last time I did shrooms, it was for my friend's.. medieval themed camping bachelor party?
We were throwing axes to train for the wedding festivities, and climbing cliffs in the dark. I don't remember how I broke my leg. It was fun.
- "It's not my party but I'll not climb if I can't do, climb if I can't do, cliiiimb if I can't do - you wouldn't do to if it happened to you".Nairn
- Yeah, that's not the point. There's a big difference between recreational use of psychedelics and therapeutic.curiouscat
- I've read studies that both claim microdosing can help depression, and also test groups that reveal it's just a fad.garbage
- But what do I know? I did actual LSD when I was a kid. I've had a flashback or two, and it was horrible.garbage
- _niko2
Thanks for the recommendation! will try!
but seriously, I've done tons of MDMa back in the rave days and a fair bit of mushrooms, most recently just macrodosing but never together, find it hard with a wife and kids to just fuck off and lose myself.
So what happened? are you alone or with someone? a significant other? did you go into it seeking a spiritual journey or were you just doing it for recreation and it turned into something profound?
- curiouscat0
_niko: I also did a bunch of street MDMA in my rave days. For the most part that stuff is filled with speed and not very pure, not to say yours wasn't.
It should be done with a guide, someone ideally with a psychology background. You set intentions ahead of your journey day. For the sake of argument, you want to deal with your depression. The day of you take the medicine. In my case I took the MDMA, waited an hour for that to kick in and then took 4.5g of Golden Teacher mushrooms in the form of tea. After drinking the tea it's time to do in. You wear blackout shades and will be given noise cancelling headphones and a music track to aid your journey. A lot of times people will use tracks from the John Hopkins research around plant medicine.
4-6 hours later you come out a new person. Lots of people who have done psychedelics recreationally ask if it was a fun time. It's hard work, very hard work and in no way "fun." It's not meant to be.
- very interesting, thanks for sharing :)_niko
- is the guide/therapist interacting with you along the way or are you alone with your thoughts and working through things by yourself?_niko
- It really depends on you. They can interact and help guide you if you're having trouble "getting in." Or they can be relatively quiet if you're doing the work.curiouscat
- DaveO2
There was a great interview / BBC radio program called Desert Island Discs with the actor Samantha Morton, and she was talking about going raving when she was younger. The host started towards a 'wayward youth' angle, and Samantha stopped her to say that going out and taking drugs, meeting people, getting lost in music was a big part of her healing from her difficult childhood.
Quite profound, because for everyone who's got a negative drugs story, there are an equal amount of positive, confidence, life changing experiences people have had that are on the surface, unremarkable, but really do change the course of peoples lives and development for the better.
Being on the dancefloor at Cream in the late 90s as a 16 year old, experiencing the energy of a room like that (and being chemically 'refreshed' of course) completely changed the direction of who I am, and it wouldn't have been the same without drugs.
So i'm all for it.
- monospaced2
I mean, I’ve had some seriously intense trips (experiences) on mushrooms and mdma combined when I was in college, does that count?
- I feel like with the levels we took there was no purpose to a guide. It was a different plane of existence. Language was foreign.monospaced
- These were profound life changing, and therapeutic, experiences. To me.monospaced
- That totally counts! Some people have successful journey's with no assistance from their guides, where as others need a lot of assistance to get in.curiouscat
- I can see how this might be used specifically for therapy, but from experience it seems easier said than done.monospaced
- For example, the indoor setting might not be the best for the journey. For me it always was an issue. Too “man made” for my inner child.monospaced
- sarahfailin1
curiouscat, how did your sessions change your behavior or thought patterns after the fact? Can you tell us about your results?
- YakuZoku1
- these were pretty good when i got started on Microdosing,
still dosing now actually (about twice a week)YakuZoku - Love Huberman. He can be a bit verbose, but breaks things down in digestible way. Definitely a great starting point for anyone interested.curiouscat
- Yaku, are you microdosing 1 day on, 2 days off? Paul Stamets recommends this schedule as a way to not build up a tolerance.curiouscat
- ^ yup and also doing the stamets stack w/ lions mane and niacinYakuZoku
- these were pretty good when i got started on Microdosing,
- curiouscat6
sarahfailin: I struggle with depression, have been on meds to deal with it for quite some time now. My session allowed me to focus on, confront and deal with the past trauma in my life that is at the root of this depression. I was able to unpack a lot of shit that was buried and in doing so I was able to create some closure and move on. A key aspect of this kind of treatment is practicing integration following your journey. What that looks like varies from person to person, but for me it's journalling, guided meditation, exercise and being in nature, and group sessions with others who have experienced psychedelic therapy.
I can happily say that I've been able to stop taking my meds and my depression is gone. The meds were never going to cure it, they just numbed the feelings, but the psychedelic therapy did.
- awesome. thanks for sharing!sarahfailin
- You're welcome!curiouscat
- Congrats! Defeating depression and medications is not easy.Beeswax
- How do you get this therapy? Can I find it in LA?Beeswax
- Thanks! Unfortunately it is all underground at the moment. Ask around, you'll find someone.curiouscat
- formed2
I have a few friends who are doing this professionally (one is an MD, she quit her hospital job as a Dr. to pursue psychedelics). It's pretty amazing, both hearing how it's changed friends' lives and the clinical data supporting treating addiction, migraines, depression, etc., etc.
It's pretty amazing and the possibilities to health benefits are endless. We'll be discovering new benefits for decades (we'd already know if it weren't for lovely lobbying + govt shutting it all down decades ago).