Making A Murderder (Netflix Doc)
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- _niko0
And the closing arguments of the DA were ludicrous. "if you don't think Mr Avery is guilty then you must think that the police officers murdered Teresa Halbach, that's the leap you have to make..."
all I could think of was this:
- I wanted to punch that sack of fat shit through the screen when he said that.
its as if he was talking to a jury made up of 12 retarded monkeys.Ramanisky2 - He was. Having a below average iq seems to be the norm there. Scary shit.monospaced
- I wanted to punch that sack of fat shit through the screen when he said that.
- Ramanisky20
281,757 have signed the petition
- You mean "281,000+ have signed a petition they incorrectly think a president can do anything because of to overturn Avery's sentence."mg33
- I thought the President can pardon and release prisoners especially in the last year of his term .. no?Ramanisky2
- you're right ...
Article II, Section 2 says the president "shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States."Ramanisky2 - Which translates to, "The president can't pardon state prisoners."Ramanisky2
- they've added the state governor to that petition as well_niko
- SteveJobs0
Interesting interview from just 2 days ago with Strang where he's asked several questions including a question about the jurors who presented a conflict of interest and why they were not removed:
- fues0
Crazy.
- Ramanisky20
More story .....
The creators of the popular Netflix documentary series "Making a Murderer" said that a juror from Steven Avery's trial reached out to them with an important revelation.
The two filmmakers, Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos, said on NBC's "Today" Tuesday that the juror believes Avery, who was convicted of murdering a 25-year-old woman in 2005, was not proven guilty in his trial. The juror, who voted to convict Avery, only did so out of fear for his/her personal safety, Demos said.
- Ramanisky20
from Gov Scott Walker
Walker said, "Just because a documentary on TV says something doesn’t mean that’s actually what the evidence shows," and goes on to say he will not "override a system that is already put in place." And apparently it's not just this case; according to the Wisconsin State Journal,
Walker hasn't issued any pardons since taking office in 2011.
this dopey fucking muppet-head ....... FFS
- nb0
If you're demanding a man be pardoned because of what you saw on a blatantly biased TV show, you're no better than the people who convicted him because they decided he was guilty before all the evidence was collected.
- I don't know any better than you, but pardoning him is not the solution to the problem with this case.nb
- yeah the whole petition is a bit silly that way but hopefully it opens the door for a new trial_niko
- So you think a completely innocent man looking to make millions would murder a woman, cut her into pieces and burn her alive when he knows the cops hate him?monospaced
- monospaced- the guy is a proven nut but the doc doesn't portray him like that.hotroddy
- film 101 - don't believe the hypehotroddy
- proven nut?monospaced
- yes. have you read the stories about him and theresa?hotroddy
- The question is not whether he was guilty or not - the question is whether the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable a doubt he was guilty - they didn't.fadein11
- Yes, it appears very clear that there was not enough to convict this man. Clearly he deserves a proper appeal, a new judge, in a higher court.nb
- But, I don't think we should be petitioning his pardon. A pardon would mean that the real killer (if he exists) would go free. The case would not be reopened.nb
- So you DO think that this guy killed her even though he was getting married and would soon be a millionaire. Because he's 'nuts.' Got it.monospaced
- a nut doesn't rationalizehotroddy
- so hotroddy and nb both think that Avery was so insane he couldn't rationalize the repercussions of murder vs a massive payout, but was still sane enough ...monospaced
- ... to be accountable, coerce his family and friends into helping, clean everything up and all that shit. Got it.monospaced
- They paint him as a criminal mastermind clever enough to meticulously scrub his entire property of all forensic evidence..._niko
- ...but so fucking stupid that he leaves the car on the lot, the keys in his room and the remains in a fire pit behind his trailer. got it._niko
- @mono, I DON'T think Avery did it. However, pardoning him will not solve the problem that results in innocent people being convicted.nb
- A pardon would mean that no other person would be charged in the crime. Instead, Avery needs a new trial. And that county needs an entire new police force.nb
- @hotroddy Can you post a link to the avery and Theresa stories? Thanks!instrmntl
- I don't have the specifics but you can scroll down to "evidence not presented in tv series" http://www.slashfilm…hotroddy
- http://www.pajiba.co…hotroddy
- A documentary is always inevitably a scewed point of view that the film maker presents to you. Unless you've been at every trials and read every documents.pango
- A new trial couldn't hurt I suppose. Just going to cost more money.pango
- ernexbcn1
The evidence presented on his murder case wasn't enough to warrant the given verdict, specially in the case of his nephew.
I'm not sure wether he did it or not, but I have serious doubts. Doesn't help the guys that work in the county he was suing for his previous bullshit conviction (and jail time of 18 years) that were deposed just 3 weeks before the murder were there later rummaging through his property unsupervised when they were supposed to abstain from gathering evidence due to conflict of interest.
- The car key found in his bedroom after the 4th search is bullshit territory.ernexbcn
- I think it was the 7th search.instrmntl
- by a guy who was specifically not supposed to be doing any searching, and had motive to frame Averymonospaced
- instrmntl0
White House responds to 'Making a Murderer' petition
http://www.sfgate.com/entertainm…
- nb0
http://www.dailywire.com/news/23…
Here is a comprehensive list of all the crazy shit (and evidence) that was left out of the documentary.
I'm not saying any of this proves his guilt or innocence. He probably deserves another trial.
But, the documentary is not the whole truth. Didn't your parents ever tell you that you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV?
- SteveJobs0
Evidence aside, what I pay the most attention to are those who are closest to him and have little reason to be biased.
Dean Strang seemed pretty appalled at the outcome, months and even years after the trial, that put his client away. In one interview in the documentary he was emotional when describing his dismay with the justice system, clearly referencing the Avery case that had received national attention. Any theatrics would do Steven no good at this point.
I suppose it's arguable that the filmmakers might have reason to show a film that portrayed Steven Avery as innocent till the end, but would omitting any additional implicating evidence really make the documentary any less compelling and would it not offer an even more controversial spectacle?
- _niko0
I don't think the left out evidence proves anything. Sweat Dna is the easiest thing to obtain, you just have to grab something that Steve Avery was recently in contact with
http://www.lawofficer.com/articl…
If you remember his interviews the dude sweats buckets.point 9 is dumb, I'm sure there were hundreds of bullets all over his property from him shooting at shit as rednecks are prone to do, not hard to find old bullets I'd imagine.
- teh3
Oh mer gerd merderder
- deathboy0
wow. nothing with this thing adds up. it seems likely the cops did have a hand in it. and falsified some evidence, but it's because they believed it to be Avery. probably because of where they found the car or the bones. I'd discount anything with the slow kid as an accidental red herring. And I'd look at friends or family a lot closer.
The show is definitely biased. I'd wish they took a little more time to explain the burn pit. Was it usual to have a bonfire? common to call up the nephew? the kid didn't elaborate on what they did just said avery talked about a phone call with jodi. didn't see averys testimony about the bonfire, or if that synced up. If it is common occurrence and nothing unusual than it could easily be a dump site and more likely explains multiple locations vs dragging body out and burning it twice. Seems like they should have focused on other family members or her friends and family.
- It would have been nice if the defense was allowed to present other suspects.instrmntl
- yea definitely a double time failure of the justice system. quite scary. and a reminder never to piss off cops.deathboy
- I thought it was a 'Halloween' bonfire. Maybe the fire was something he typically did for Halloween.nb
- Ben99-11
When he says he killed a cat by setting him on fire. My girlfriend said "good for him! he deserved to be in prison!'' and we stop Netflix. Won't watch it.
I agree. You kill a cat by setting him on fire. Rot in jail piece of shit.
- Agreed. I made the same statement earlier and received -2 likes. But the doc does such a good job portraying a victim.hotroddy
- One day maybe people will respect animals and see them as equal as us.Ben99
- I think he gets a pass b/c he's from a poor roots. Like you don't know right from wrong being poor. If a rich kid had done it.. different storyhotroddy
- Guess affluenza works both waysRamanisky2
- come on, what self respecting hillbilly hasn't set a cat on fire at least once?_niko
- is killing a cat for enjoyment better than killing a pig for your eating enjoyment?
I fucking love bacon._niko - i didn't downvote BTW, but I think you're being harsh...watch the whole thing_niko
- If he ate the cat than I'd say I'm being harsh.hotroddy
- If he wants to kill animals than he should work at a slaughter house.hotroddy
- but I get your point... killing animals is hillbilly culturehotroddy
- You have no soul if you can kill an animal like this and you have something fucked up in the brain if you think its not that bad to do this.Ben99
- Its pure evil senseless heartless and souless to set an innocent cat on fire. Its pure cruelty. I'm really happy he spend that much time in prison.Ben99
- But Ben doesn't age and upbringing factor in ???Ramanisky2
- And I by no means condone what he did to the catRamanisky2
- try him for the cat killing then, just because he's messed up doesn't mean he's guilty of everything else._niko
- and I believe he was a kid when he lit the cat on fire. not defending him on this point, but I find your over-reaction strange when you have no problem eating_niko
- ...animals_niko
- if you're a vegan I apologize, but what's the difference between killing an animal for pleasure or killing and eating an animal for pleasure? Because in this_niko
- ...day and age we don't need to eat animals to survive, it's strictly for our own pleasure._niko
- eating an animal for pleasure is different than killing an animal for pleasure.hotroddy
- i like eating fish... but I don't like fishing.hotroddy
- yeah but someone has to kill it. I guess hunters do both, they like killing and eating animals, and it's probably not a stretch to say that steven was a hunter._niko
- I just think it's funny how desensitized we are to killing people, we have no problem killing certain animals for food, but when it comes to cats and dogs.._niko
- we lose our shit. rats and mice we can snap their necks and not think twice about it but other rodents like gerbils or bunnies are cute and therefore taboo._niko
- so to sum up, he's a messed up hillbilly who got drunk and lit a cat on fire but it doesn't mean he killed anyone._niko
- you also have to judge him by how he killed that cat. He didn't shoot him with his bb gun but doused him in gasoline and lit it on fire. thats specialhotroddy
- for sure but was also young and drunk and maybe didn't want t kill it just get a twisted laugh. I think what Michael Vick did was 1000x worse._niko
- michael vick did it over and over so yes... but lighting an animal on fire is pretty sick.hotroddy
- FFS i never have the tought of hurting an animal ever, even drunk, young or wathever. It's not normal to do something like this.Ben99
- are you a vegan? have you ever killed a mouse? a mosquito? a fly, an ant a spider? caught and ate fish? are all animals sacred or just pets?_niko
- I think its more a series about corruption in US legal system - it's pretty obvious he was no angel - but was there evidence to convict him? prob not.fadein11
- hotroddy0
Another incriminating article:
- d0mino1
This is A Grade telly, but doesn't hold a candle to The Jinx
- instrmntl0
An interesting read on the filmmakers approach:
Dead Certainty
How “Making a Murderer” goes wrong.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazin…
