Sagmeister Walsh
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- fate2
"Comparing real sexual harassment and sexism to us talking about a designer and criticising her. Once again read imbecile's post."
-NBQ00
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"I hope [she'll be back next year same time to self promote more nude shots with] a full on porn coffee table book with all the girls there."
-Also NBQ00
- Sigh, dude. Irony, sarcasm and snarky comments ain't your forte, huh? Immediately ringing the SJW-Sexism-Women-Hat...NBQ00
- That second quote doesn't read like irony or sarcasm.noneck
- You really coming back with the "it's just a joke!!" shit?fate
- WTF! I can make edgy comments on a site, doesn't make me a fucking sexist in real life you idiot.NBQ00
- Snark, maybe. But it's shitty criticism that isn't really about the work.noneck
- whoa people, are we turning this into a social justice issue? on an internet forum no less?renderedred
- Social Justice Issue? It's called basic respect. And you wonder why there are so few female designers on QBN...fate
- Because you're turning into identity politics. Nobody here was bashing her because she's female. We never harassed shellie or seasea either on here.NBQ00
- You're the one accusing us of being sexist and comparing real life violent sexual harassers with comments on a forum, WTF.NBQ00
- Consider the possibility that you're being a creep, NBQ00. Use your creative powers and use some mental flexibility to see things from other's perspective.fate
- You're the same person that said "Good move firing them. Unacceptable behaviour."fate
- fate-1
Hey Bennn and Krassy, we get it, you don't know how to be a part of this conversation.
Some of you need to grow a spine and start standing up for what's right.
Quick example — Sted posted over 1,000 words in the "blog" thread about having to fire 3 employees for sexual harassment. Sted even said he heard the "really unpleasant" comments detailing "asses slapped/fucked, tits size/banged, blowjobs" which he found unacceptable at the time.
But Sted didn't do anything about it because he thought "that it's better to shut the fuck up, listen, and keep my opinion for myself. Otherwise if I don't, I will find myself to be truly an outsider and lose touch with my male colleagues. My business partner comes from a different corporate culture where people are accepting or turning a blind eye above these things"
Now he's dealing with lawsuits, investor blowback, potentially monitoring all his employees and keeping video records of everyone's activities.
You really still fail to see how your behavior is a problem?
And the SAME PEOPLE that are acting like horny, bitter little boys in this thread are the same ones that could clearly see SOMEONE ELSE'S behavior and had no issue calling it unacceptable.
Why not apply these same principles to yourselves?
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"Good move firing them. Unacceptable behaviour."
NBQ00--
"What began it is people who did not speak up because they felt powerless. Honestly the HR Dept needs to be looked at and all initiatives come from there."
robotron3k--
"Yes I'm sure you feel responsible but there needs to be a culture shift. Cameras are not cops, each person needs to feel part of the whole. Gluck"
robotron3k- +1noneck
- I shouldn't call this behaviour "incel" because that's not accurate. But I've become increasingly offended by the attitudes I've seen here.noneck
- You can't be serious dude. SMHNBQ00
- There's too much really sexist, edgelord shit in here, and I'm not comfortable staying quiet about it anymore. Silence = acceptance.noneck
- Comparing real sexual harassment and sexism to us talking about a designer and criticising her. Once again read imbecile's post.NBQ00
- The problematic stuff isn't criticism about her WORK, it's about her GENDER. I agree that the work is a bit shit. Not my cuppa.noneck
- fate and notype, you angry guys are represent all that is wrong in the work, social justice warriors who are afraid of language.robotron3k
- fate, i was just trying to put some smiles in here. I totally agree with what you're saying, I even regret some comments I've made ealier in this thread.Bennn
- fate & notype are Doomers... https://youtu.be/Aaz…robotron3k
- @fate why are you dragging me into this? lolKrassy
- @fate I do know how to be part of a conversation and do have my own opinions, but maybe perhaps maybe I was too busy or not interested. Chill, bro!Krassy
- omahadesigns1
This modern influencer / Instagram world is so weird.
Remember when only losers went in chat rooms and went on online dating sites?
Now it’s business for everyone to take photos of themselves and use hashtags so strangers find your photos and “like” them and become fans.
- Bennn21
- LOL. This wins.NBQ00
- LOLrenderedred
- bennnn!!!!! brilliant!_niko
- < THIS is why we QBN.mg33
- Ha! mintmaquito
- lol, glad you likeBennn
- LOL! @Bennn FTW! Bravo!Krassy
- @mg33 +1Krassy
- lolol.ben_
- Heherobotron3k
- Now we're QBNing properly.zarkonite
- haha nice :Dsted
- We need more of these, lolMaaku
- ^maybe a new psb?renderedred
- lolSimonFFM
- That's so fucking brilliant. Chapeau!sandpipe
- noneck1
Thank you, Fate. You summed up the bullshit brilliantly.
Want to criticize Walsh's work? Go nuts. Being upset that she took over the agency, or that she only got it because she slept with Sagmeister is out of line, and should be called out.
Roast Walsh all you want (I don't care for much of their work), as imbecile said, QBN has ridiculed male designers for a long time. But male designers weren't ridiculed for being male, unlike Walsh. That's some red pill, incel-like fuckery.
Some of you are trying too hard to be edgy. Fuck off with that shit.
- Only idiots would see our criticism as women-hating incel BS. It's easy to drift into identity politics when you disagree with somebody.NBQ00
- Not directed solely at you NBQ00, but I guess I misinterpreted this https://www.qbn.com/… bullshit.noneck
- Forgive me, I'm an idiot after all.noneck
- Yeah I wrote "It's a joke guys" making fun of the situation.NBQ00
- After you got called out on it.noneck
- QBN is becoming outright toxic. Something needs to change before this place turns into 4chan.noneck
- Uhm, how? Don't you see my note on very top. I immediately wrote it when I posted the pic. geez.NBQ00
- yeah now "it's a joke", 4 days ago you were insisting that she's just an untalented chick that got nakedernexbcn
- Holy shit, I even wrote "It's a joke" in the notes there. Are you guys dumb?NBQ00
- I'm talking about your other notes on other posts on this very same thread days ago, but whatever manernexbcn
- "But male designers weren't ridiculed for being male, unlike Walsh." Exactamundo.Nairn
- you say it's a joke, but everything you do says otherwise.ben_
- So when you attack people by calling them incels, aren't you just doing exactly what you said they shouldn't do?zarkonite
- Incel is a male-only insult isn't it? I think the name-calling from both sides is really pointless and doesn't help foster conversation.zarkonite
- Incel isn't male-only, but it's generally male. I used it as an inaccurate short-hand for the kind of bitter, sexist attitudes I see here.noneck
- I'm just saying de-escalating sounds like a better strategy to me, calling people incels and stomping on them isn't likely to get you anything but more insults.zarkonite
- This is absolute rubbish. I was equally scathing of Sagmeister when he paraded his cock all over the place to gain notoriety.BusterBoy
- _niko4
this is great, we haven't had a good Brett Bashing in a while!
- imbecile5
For decades we've roasted, flamed, harassed, and ridiculed male designers and maybe a few female designers alike, but mostly male.
The crowd here has always appreciated its own hive mind aesthetic. (Which I have personally enjoyed.) Clean, unintrusive, and polished.
We were not nice to Sagmeister & Walsh simply because. Most of it sucked, some of it not. Work worth appreciating was appreciated.
Now for some reason we can't act like ourselves because a woman has branched off in 2019? QBN will fall prey to political correctness? Fuck that. The work and presentation is trash.
We can shit on male designers for years for a myriad of reasons, but we can't shit on a woman whose work is not good because equality? That's some new world order equality.
Some individuals have roasted the community because of one or two member's opinions. Get over yourselves, both sides.
The shit looks trash, the presentation is trash. It's all rushed with no purpose. I'd say that if a guy made it too.
And yes, messiah complex is real with a few of you.
- Amen, brother.NBQ00
- That said, I wouldn't say the work is "trash". Some of it is really good but much of the stuff is average and the over the top self-promo makes it worse.NBQ00
- lol @ part of our tradition being harassing people.youngdesigner
- +BusterBoy
- it staysimbecile
- +MrAbominable
- ben_4
Personally I'm glad you did, i_monk.
It's funny, there's this real sense that some of you feel like she's undeserving of where she is today, as if she stole something from Stefan.
Your only rationale is that she's a woman and uses her image to get where she is. There's been literally zero consideration for her success outside of that lane and that any legitimate success is due solely to Sagmeister's legacy, some of you even going so far as to act like you have some insider knowledge into the situation.
It's kinda sad to see it, though it makes sense who the bs is coming from. Fuck it, I miss newstoday.
- I wish her all the success possible. The whole discussion was based on her self-absorbed, narcissistic endless self-promi antics.NBQ00
- I must confess, I'm somewhat of a slut. I'm approaching having sex with the 100th woman in my life so far. Luckily no STD's, I was mostly careful.Fax_Benson
- NBQ, yeah it's clear that's what you made it about, but the conversation wasn't started that way.ben_
- i_monk0
I regret posting the update, though it would have popped up here soon enough.
- fate0
NBQ00 before being called out:
• "I'd love to bang the chick on the very left."
• "A sex tape next?"
• "If she was ugly I doubt she'd be so popular. Sorry if it sounds sexist but it's not meant to be. Just how our (sad) world works."
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NBQ00 after being called out:
• "But usually I don't give a fuck about genders. It's about the person. There are far more talented women out there that rarely get talked about but the loudest people get the spotlight."
______________________WOW YOU ARE SO REASONABLE AND CLEARLY INVESTED IN RESPECT AND EQUALITY.
Or maybe you're just a creep and can't admit it.
- Are you new here or just generally don't understand sarcasm and snarky comments?NBQ00
- But that part about "If she was ugly..." is not untrue.NBQ00
- Even in 2019, if you think an ugly woman is gonna read the news, present on TV or be a hit on Youtube you deeeaaaddd wrong!Hayzilla
- my questine at this point is, how would she do in the COTD thread? ;)renderedred
- I really CGAF whether she’s hot or otherwise. Their previous incarnation drew publicity with gratuitous nudity.BusterBoy
- This incarnation doesn’t appear to be much different. Male. Female. Hot. Not hot. I really couldn’t give a stuff.BusterBoy
- If this is how you need to promote your company and yourself, it reduces it to the most banal common garbage that I despise.BusterBoy
- And I’ll have a browse of the COTD thread...but not many of those chicks are promoting a design company.BusterBoy
- fate3
Deathboy, exactly.
Anyone that owns their own studio or agency knows they have to be their own best salesperson. Especially if your name is on the door.
Their is no humility or being humble. Their is no “letting the work speak for itself” because clients often can’t differentiate.
A client wants a relationship and to trust that they chose the right firm. The V.P. of Sales or the CMO wants to convince the CEO and CFO that they made the right decision hiring &Walsh and to trust them. Partially that trust is built from the logical side (ROI, KPIs, SOQs, responding to RFPs, pricing) but it’s also largely emotional.
Every good salesperson knows that. Many of you don’t, because you’ve never been in that position and haven’t had that responsibility to work at that level.
- i can respect a great used car salesmen. it doesn't mean I buy what they're selling. but don't underestimate people with humility or humbleness non trenddeathboy
- chasers. she can "instagram influencer" fakeness all she wants to pay the mortgage better than others, but at the end of the day it fakedeathboy
- again i don't know who was keeping their lights on since I didn't see much paid work. and i think the hype caught up. curious if lack of funds is the causedeathboy
- for the rebrand. typical when shit declines. what point is leaving when things are successful?deathboy
- terrible derivative brand style but great case study and fluff to clearly drive this interest and concerndeathboy
- All design is fake. We are creating and shaping perceptions. The only requirements in life are to shit and die, the rest is optional.fate
- i do say its weird you agreeing. i disrespect todays "game" full heartedly for said reasons, but you are happy i agree at the success of it.deathboy
- There is no such thing as “fake design” or “real design”, we are all a bunch of con artists. Some of us are just more honest with ourselves.fate
- maybe im old and disregard todays "metrics" and hotness. one thing i know is fundamentals will outlast trendsdeathboy
- If lack of funds is the cause then it would be rather expensive to do such an extensive rebrand and pay rent in NY as well as get all the 20+ employees over.NBQ00
- But yes I don't see really quality clients either with all that hype.NBQ00
- i always ask new clients on brand wether you expect the brand to drive sales or actual performance. some prefer brandingdeathboy
- and i find those clients I dont stick with long time, but those that more communicating their sell points stick with medeathboy
- its just a different set of values and gambling on what sells and resonates.deathboy
- i typed that with no refresh...deathboy
- Dude, quit adding notes and just make a new post like a normal person. 10 notes??fate
- design isnt fake. its arbitrary. eye of beholder. and design i think is more specific to utility than art.deathboy
- i can tell you the design of opera mail vs thunderbird is not fake. for my purposes opera design works. that isnt the same for othersdeathboy
- but fake is not a good word for us english language description. nbq00 never underestimate loansdeathboy
- hell companies have gotten 12 billion without showing profit. just wondering if it was money giving why change it?deathboy
- i like notesdeathboy
- she is a really good used cars saleswomanutopian
- deathboy-2
im just waiting for the chaturbate brand partnership sold as high brand art. the shock and awe repainting narratives while triggering base biology for sale. but i doubt it. the case study stuff of the brand feels derivative of past work successes. cant say i know her own work vs others and taking credit for it.
but has nothing to do with gender. although if it did the female has the leverage there. basic biology.
i think her true talent is in the hustle. faking it so ppl think you made it art. i might not agree with that area of service, but i will say she is good at it. her talent would probably be doing those perfume ads that make no fuckin sense but look "artistic". i also cant hep but think it separated due to lack of funds.for all the hype and naked bits where are the clients and funds. I did like a levi billboard but i think that may be the only commercial piece i have ever seen.Even before i can only think of self promo work of sag-tits.
she does what she needs to do. i might not like the work but recognize (not respect) her talent in the game. Although I think part of the game shes playing turnover is super fast these days and even this will be forgotten in a month. She cant keep up with the hype while trying to provide a service.
- female has leverage where? basic biology what?monospaced
- She's just a designer and a standout personality, ffs.monospaced
- #simpdeathboy
- fate10
monNom and you’re right, it’s not even that new of an idea.
Male business leaders, athletes, artists have talked themselves up and done wild self promotion for decades.
A woman does it and some of you lose your fucking minds and sense of perspective.
I think some of you also hate the fact that you don’t know how to play the game, you don’t know how to self promote. Or worse, you’re not willing and too scared to go out on a limb and make a name for yourself.
Feel free to call her work boring, criticize what she’s creating, have at it. In this same thread I called her early work “art school schlock” many years ago.
But get the fuck out of here commenting on her face, tits, cooch, sex life, calling her a narcissist, saying she didn’t earn it, and generally being jealous littler toads. Some of you sound pathetic.
- Agreed.
The wordmark still sucks, though. :\
(In my opinion)Continuity - Continuity I agree. I thought the faux 3D effect on the mark was pretty lame. The actual 3D versions are pretty fun though.fate
- Don't be a fuckwit. We all made the call about Sagmeister when he flashed his cock. Don't be a dickwad.BusterBoy
- Yeah and you all sounded like fucking creeps back then too. "I know if he is banging that girl it feels 20-30x better than with a circumcised penis." -74LEOfate
- So much so that Creative Review called out QBN for being misogynist and jealous. Not a good look.fate
- So why the fuck are you still here?BusterBoy
- Occasionally you need adult supervision.fate
- haha fateNairn
- LOL @fate supervise away :)renderedred
- Buddy, we put the men down too when theyre up their own asscannonball1978
- I get where you're coming from cannonball1978, but she's not up her own ass. She's just making a name for herself and her studio.fate
- Well, she was just handed the keys to the yard. How the agency image matures will determine that, imho.cannonball1978
- Seriously...BusterBoy
- Seems like there's a lot of supposition and presumption in this thread, alongside the cringeworthy adolescent sexism.Nairn
- yeah it's the sexism thinly (and unconvincingly) veiled as "critique" that makes so many of the comments in this thread fucking cringeworthy.ben_
- What's their to critique? Hot girl, poses naked and endless new pics. Simple formula, been working since before I was born.formed
- *there...formed
- The work speaks for itself...it blows ass.utopian
- Thanks for proving me wrong, formed.ben_
- @fate, excellent!noneck
- @fate, totally agree!valentim
- Agreed.
- fate0
Just to be clear BusterBoy - that kind of shit gets your ass fired and blacklisted in the real world.
What made you think QBN was your safe space to act like this? You all been left to your own devices too long without any adult supervision?
- fate1
monNom couldn’t agree more.
And then you have BusterBoy commenting about how one of the leading female designers in our industry should “just flash her cooch” to drum up business.
Sure seems like half of you are incels or extremely insecure boys.
- monNom0
I'm going to play devil's advocate and say that she's probably on to something, the way the industry is moving.
"Influencers" really do seem to be the hot ticket for brands these days. I was just at an event where 2000+ people paid a not small admission to meet a pretty niche youtube personality. I don't GET it. But they're trading money to be in this person's club IRL. It's a phenomenon for certain, even if it doesn't make sense to me. This person has a team of ~30 behind them just to produce enough content to feed the beast. In fact most youtubers of note have multiple people working for them. Basically a design studio to handle their content production.
So, if she's trying to become the "design influencer" so that brands will come to work with her for her audience, rather than just her design talents, then all this imagery can basically act like clickbaity thumbnails, which follow a pretty predictable format: show the star in every post. Bright colours to grab attention. Emotive facial expressions. When all else fails: mild nudity.
Warhol had the whole celebrity to sell art thing worked out. Maybe this is just the next iteration of that strategy. And maybe it seems a bit clumsy as a stodgy ad agency pitch, but from the perspective of a media personality, I'm not sure if there's a whole lot of competition to be the loud proud and truly outrageous voice of design for the female millenial set.
Kudos to her for thinking outside the box.
- It's a great business model. If they experience a bit of a downturn, she can just flash her cooch and voila...BusterBoy
- lolNBQ00
- kinda 5 year late for that
it looks like the juvenile overdone version of it what doesn't creates anything original just the hdr versions of the mad man era adssted - *mad men :)sted
- NBQ00-4
This is a discussion forum/ site. Why aren't we allowed to give our opinion? Do we all have to be ass kissers?
No I'm not bitter, nor jealous nor a woman hater. I actually love to see women be successful and even more so than men in any industry.
But usually I don't give a fuck about genders. It's about the person.
What bothers me about Jessica Walsh is not only her misleading claims that she founded the agency all by herself (she inherited it mostly via a legendary designer that she got associated with and where all her fame started from) but also that she uses her looks and very self-absorbed, narcissistic self-promo. If she's successful with it so be it. But we can still criticise her antics.
There are far more talented women out there that rarely get talked about but the loudest people get the spotlight.
- So can you start talking about those talented women who deserves spot light and stop giving &W spot light?pango
- fan of Yah Leng Yu and her studio:
http://foreignpolicy…dyspl - One or two posts seems like fair criticism. Several pages of comments, including repeatedly about her looks does come off as a bit obsessive, un4chanately.yuekit
- Also when I look at their site it comes across as heavily ironic. Like she is poking fun at how narcissistic society is. Did you miss that part?yuekit
- Where do you get that "ironic" impression? And I didn't want to post anymore but only because of fate and accusations of hating women.NBQ00
- bahaha #un4chanatelyshellie
- The whole site comes across as incredibly tongue in cheek. I mean they are selling their trash for $200 lol. Even the one everyone here criticized whereyuekit
- she is standing in front of a ridiculous stock image-looking 3D render background seems more like a parody than anything else.yuekit
- I'm not saying it's the greatest thing in the world, but if you really completely missed that aspect of it maybe you shouldn't be the one criticizing :)yuekit
- What does occasional jokes and fun work examples have to do with her constantly using her persona and looks for self-promo?NBQ00
- You asked where is the irony -- it seems kind of obvious there is a strong element of irony and self-parody in the entire brand and site.yuekit
- Including the constant use of her own image. That doesn't make it beyond criticism, but I find it weird that this needs to be pointed out to people who work inyuekit
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https://www.gstsuvid…gstsuvidhakendra - design and marketing.yuekit
- ^ lol. Good timing.yuekit
- lollll that timing.inteliboy
- LOL @timingrenderedred
- the incels branch of QBN is out of controlernexbcn
- Careful, it takes talent to get and stay in the "spotlight." That in itself is a highly competitive skill. Good technique but being a recluse is not all talent.BustySaintClaire
- instrmntl0
If you don't self promote, who else is going to promote you? Thats just business 101.
- How you do it is everythingcannonball1978
- Unfortunately real talent rarely matters anymore these days. It's all about shameless, self-absorbed, narcissistic self-promotion & looks.NBQ00
- I think her re-launch is a lot of fun. She's on trend, the low production value stuff is starting to supplant the ultra controlled look on social anyways.zarkonite
- ever heard of "let the work speak for itself?" my entire career is referrals and i barely tryimbecile
