IPR quandry
- Started 14 years ago
- Last post 14 years ago
- 83 Responses
- ETM0
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- mydo0
I like this James Biber chap, he speaks a lot of sense!
- JUnior130
anyone know what kind of font they use
for DKNY
- mydo0
It's been a long time since QBN has made me really think about a design topic. Shame that an anonymous felt the need to blacken my real name for starting a debate. Anyway....
- Are you talking about me? Am I an annoymous? You never had a name to blaken friend. It doesn't matter.********
- You failed to establish a debate. You rather try to establish a notion of 'we all do it' which carries no merit.********
- Are you talking about me? Am I an annoymous? You never had a name to blaken friend. It doesn't matter.
- mydo0
OK, if you had $50 to spend, you needed a chair, and this was in a shop (imagine you liked the design for a moment). Would you buy it?
- ********0
I would take on a challenge of making my own.
- ********0
Mydo, you are still trying to justify by asking questions. "Would you would you?" That is not a debate. If you have a credible debate, please share.
- mydo0
The topic is more than just "would you". it's about where you stand on IPR. I know we are being the internet protagonists, but do you really take yourself so seriously?
Even if you had a licence for every font you owned, how about a font that is based on another. Do you delete these from your system? Would you leave a restaurant if you believed their lampshades to not be licensed? I know for a fact the cut of your clothes was stolen from another. Why should such a strong view apply to one thing and not another. Because copyright taken to the Nth degree would be crippling, it's just not practical now.To sell something as an original is fraud.. To pretend you have talent like Mr b@ash is a different matter altogether.
I've spent the last 7 years living in a culture where everything is copied. I don't just mean sticking an apple logo on a calculator and calling it an iphone. but entire BMW's and water. There are a 1000 rip offs but only one original, this doesn't weaken the brand value of the original, it strengthens it. This is the difference between copy and fake, and this isn't a divide many people make.
There is too much weight on ownership. The world has changed. Why should a design for a single piece of plastic be protected forever? Why shouldn't you have the right to buy any shape bit of plastic you like?
- pr20
There are "chairs" - the first image that pops up in your head when you think chair. And there are objects of art that also are used to sit on thus can also be called chairs. If you are trying to get a piece of furniture to sit on then fine, get what you want. But if you are trying to be cool cause you have such awesome "objet d'art" in your office and think that you can get away with $50 replica - then you are a cunt and a hack.
mydo seems to be from China - where creativity has no value and bottom line is the king thus it's hard for him/her to even comprehend that someone would want the real thing.
- ukit0
In Communist China, the chair sits on you
- typist0
@mydo
it's nothing personal or i am against you but here we go:
do you have the license to use the shanghai expo character used in your company cny ecard? i bet you don't
here is another example that you don't respect originality
you did this
http://www.mydot.co.uk/2010/ligh…
original design by droog design
it doesn't matter where you live, you are a creative director, i believe you know what is the value of design
peace
- how is 15 randomly hung cheese graters that i made my self a copyright infringement?mydo
- i said you dont respect originaltiytypist
- that doesn't make sense. I'm not selling it as an original.mydo
- if you designed a 9x5 business card do you also have no respect for originality?mydo
- *sorry 8.5 x 5mydo
- we are both designer, let's talk some sense, you are not a 5 years oldtypist
- mydo0
Interestingly what gave me the inspiration for the cheese graters was a lamp similar to Rody Graumans that i saw in London in the early 90's. Maybe that's where he got the inspiration. That and a recent Conran table lamp!
would this design be a copy in your view?
- mydo0
@typist
This seems to be an entirely different debate, but while i'm here...Are you making the assumption that any designer that produces something that takes inspiration from something else has no respect for originality?
Would that go as far as JSK's standpoint that you are guilty if you were to purchase that design too?
A good example of design inspiring design is fashion. This methodology is core to the industry, are you denouncing them too?
- ********0
I think its pretty clear that mydo has won this argument
- Why shouldn't you have the right to buy any shape bit of plastic you like?********
- < That's what convinced you too?********
- Sure why not********
- I'm not sure i believe it!mydo
- Why shouldn't you have the right to buy any shape bit of plastic you like?
- typist0
@ mydo
to me it's a crime that you are a creative director don't know it is a designer chair, buying a fake is not a crime but it reflects who you are
- mydo0
Why has this become a personal attack rather than a discussion again? No wonder you guys hide your real names!
And why is numbers guy only 2 steps behind you every time? What did you do to him?
- typist0
how this is a personal attack?
many qbners know my real name
numbers is not the same "mike the number guy" i guess
- mydo0
I used to know your real name, and website, but i've forgotten. Maybe it's better to be anonymous here. If there was ever a Shanghai QBN drinks it's not got off to a good start!
It's personal because you called me out for not respecting originality, when i pushed for your definition you just returned to my job title.
I concede. I should not have bought a $50 copy. but i did, and I won't judge you if you have an unlicensed copy of powerpoint. It seems there is a line that we are all happy to move when it suits us. if you're not 100% on one side, you don't have the right to a moral high ground.
- typist0
100%??? are we going to the extreme?
so for once if i was wrong, i can't do anything right after that?i am sorry to assume you don't have the respect for droog design
you just like the idea and you DIY your own versiondo you have any explianation for the shanghai expo character that you illegally used for your company?
- mydo0
HaiBao? That we used in an animation and had him being chased by a tiger as a joke for Chinese new year? That is somewhat different from putting a logo on something and claiming affiliation.