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- designbot0
^ The Bible itself speaks on this issue. The truths of God are evident in all his creation and written in the hearts of every man and women....so that no person has any valid excuse for not believing. The people that you speak of that are born in the "wrong geographical location" can still know God exists by these things.
- monospaced0
That argument, designbot, only holds true if you believe the Bible is the word of God. This requires the belief in God and that he spoke to a few people thousands of years ago (and none since).
Of course the Bible is filled with loopholes, it had to be revised many, many times to accommodate cultures. But, none of it proves the legitimacy or existence of fictional entities (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit), or places (Hell, Heaven) or even sin at all.
- That is the basis on which you were debating correct? We are talking about Christianity here.designbot
- Brainiac0
....it's been over 2000 years, I really don't think he's coming back.
- janne760
God should've done an audiobook, could have been more credible..
- Kindle. Should done a kindle version..TheBlueOne
- scribed into pots being spun possibly?version3
- monospaced0
Trent said it best: "If there is a Hell, I'll see you there."
- Scotch_Roman0
mono, you're missing or choosing to ignore a very fundamental fact of my faith and worldview: that I was chosen, by God, not because of any merits I possess, but because for whatever reason, he decided to number me among his people. I am not superior, I am not better, I am not smarter, I have nothing worldly recommend me as better than my fellow man. I have nothing in this life that I can take with me when I die besides Christ. I have nothing but him; but having Christ, I possess all and have peace.
- amen, brother. I believe you but not the gospel, the bible, or the church.nilsnihil
- Scotch_Roman is claiming God spoke to him. Delusional much?monospaced
- monospaced0
Oh, so God chose YOU! Hahaha. How?
I have peace without Christ. Explain that shit!
- Can someone who has never heard of Christ be chosen, because that's never happened.monospaced
- Sure it has. God doesn't require the Bible to reveal himself. Think of all the people in the Bible who found Him before any of it was written.Scotch_Roman
- of it was written.Scotch_Roman
- Jews!? They don't believe in Jesus, Heaven or Hell and they invented God, you idiot.monospaced
- Then they aren't reading their own scriptures, because both heaven AND hell are in fact mentioned in the OT.Scotch_Roman
- *and that's not an edited Christian version. You'll find it in synagogues.Scotch_Roman
- Scotch_Roman0
Furthermore: the truth is GOD's truth, not MY truth. Claiming that there is only one way, one truth and one life is not arrogant, because it implies nothing about any supposed superiority I possess. Again, God has chosen to show me that he is superior, rather than the other way around. The difference is tremendous, but so often misunderstood by people who rankle at the notion of absolute truth.
Let's say for a second that there is not absolute truth. Let's say that we each invent our own heaven, and that it's OK for our varying notions of truth to be contradictory. I would still rather search for something larger than myself, because truth cannot contradict itself. I would rather be an eternal fool who knew there was something bigger than himself and never found it, than a popular and well-liked humanist who is content with worshipping what he sees in the mirror.
- you still believe in WMDs don't you7point34
- all across the universenilsnihil
- No, I don't believe in WMDs.Scotch_Roman
- wtf is this nutcase babbling about?Milan
- Scotch_Roman0
I hope the one thing we can agree on is that the Christian faith cannot be satisfactorily proven OR disproven by reason alone. This is why the argument is never solved in a way that sufficiently convinces everyone involved. It is not insanity, and does not require delusion of it's adherents. I am many things, but insane is certainly not one of them. Send me to any shrink of your choice.
- While EVERYTHING ELSE can be proven by reason alone.monospaced
- Don't waste your time dude, thruth speaks by itself... mankind needs peaceSalarrue
- and it never going to come from the human being...Salarrue
- free will is a great right we all have.... Let people believe waht they want, who cares...Salarrue
- Everything else can be proven? Horse shit.Scotch_Roman
- Many evolutionary "theories" are based on philosophy rather than actual science.Scotch_Roman
- It's all faith of a different stripe.Scotch_Roman
- religious people aren't trying to prove their faith wrong everyday though. like science.DrBombay
- Can't speak for others, but I'm always testing my beliefs. Constantly. So far it only confirms them.Scotch_Roman
- Milan0
I SEE JESUS IN THE WALL OF TEXT ABOVE! PRAISE TEH LORDA!
- Salarrue0
The funny is that all people that ague about God and the bible have never read or investigate by themselves, they follow what someone else tell them to believe... like the crap book the secret or other western ready-to-go "spiritual/intellectual" life style...
- DrBombay0
God has a personal relationship with every single person who has ever walked the Earth, you know like 100 billion people. To believe this is pretty retarded. BUT, you can believe whatever superstitions you like, just keep it out of the government.
- 7point340
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
you who participate in these religious arguments are all that exactly
- and you come in and say the same shit a lot too, so...DrBombay
- haha do i? i tend to stay the fuck out of these threads7point34
- or you meant in general...
haha i never said i was sane.7point34 - I gotcha, I just use qbn to make fun of people and download music.DrBombay
- i use it to keep me from doing any actual work.7point34
- Haha, I will say there is a certain gleaming madness to our debates.Scotch_Roman
- DrBombay0
I learned something new earlier today, Catholicism is the largest group of Christians in the United States. I never knew that before. Wonder who are buying all these condoms and birth control pills?
- Scotch_Roman0
On the contrary Salarrue, I grew up in the church then walked away, disbelieving for many years. I see it as God choosing me as his own IN SPITE of my religious upbringing, which as we all know often does more harm than good for people.
I cam to faith outside of the church, away from it, through much wrestling and searching. But eventually I simply could not avoid it.
- I understand...Salarrue
- where did you finally find him?Milan
- coincidentally, in milanmagnificent_ruin
- He found me face-down in Baltimore.Scotch_Roman
- nilsnihil0
The sexuality of Christ and modern oblivion, Leo Steinberg
worth reading because if he was a man he had sexuality, pleasure in the world, if he was a god , why did he have a penis? If he was a mangod , what the devil?- I think the penis also is to piss right? so what is the big theory there...Salarrue
- of course, that settles it!nilsnihil
- so bodily functions and mortality (a need to eat means mortality) are ok, but sex isnae?kelpie
- mortification seems godly and btw destroy all images of man. Fucking fruitcakes.nilsnihil
- Nairn0
- your new god.DrBombay
- the amazing thing is that is a photo of a blank white wall, and this showed up when it was developed7point34
- hahahahzh!PlanktonBro
- Scotch_Roman0
Being fully man and fully God meant that Christ was subject to temptation like the rest of us, but being God as well he did not give in to temptation. It would not have been wrong per se for Christ to fall in love and marry someone, but that wasn't his calling.
- Scotch_Roman0
I've said all I can and care to say on this topic today. If anyone is ACTUALLY interested in further dialog, email me. Those that think I'm a nut job are entitled to their opinions, but I will say the vehemence is rather immature and uncalled for since I've not repaid any of you in kind.
- you advocate a system and beside being put upon is a christian kind of tacticnilsnihil