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- monospaced0
Once again, this requires the belief in something like temptation and the assumption that giving in is bad. Every single other creature on the face of this f'ing planet does what it wants to, and must, do. We are the only ones who seem to question it. I think that's a terrible way to live your life, questioning whether something is good or bad.
I believe in something greater than myself: order. Nature is beautiful in its order and balance and magnitude. The universe is an awe-inspiring place, controlled by laws of physics that are greater than us and which we will be discovering for the rest of our existence, knowledge that will only support the existence of the order instead of refute it. This dogma does not exclude anyone or require belief in the intangible or unreasonable. It makes me happy to know that all things are part of the same, with no exceptions, no guilt. It requires no faith, just reason, to believe what I do.
- None of this is mutually exclusive with faith in the metaphysical.Scotch_Roman
- I know. But my version is more rational and more inclusive. It's also simpler and nicer.monospaced
- According to your infallible wisdom, clearly.Scotch_Roman
- We all know it's utterly inconceivable for a person to be wrong, if they declare something emphatically.Scotch_Roman
- Yours is based on a fictional character's wisdom. Psshhh.monospaced
- //Scotch_Roman
- Mm, right. Fictional according to your assessment. 'Round we go, my friend...'round we go.Scotch_Roman
- 7point340
why get so angry about it though?
you're both fired up. religion (or philosophy, theology, et al) is personal. just fucking disagree and move on with your life. monospace's beliefs couldn't possible affect your faith, scotch. and, on the other hand, monospace, if it makes him happy, who really gives a fuck what scotch believes?
- now let's all get some cocoa and hug it out7point34
- I give a fuck because he's implying that we are all bad people until we accept Christ.monospaced
- I've accepted Christ and am still bad, but his righteousness has been credited to my account.Scotch_Roman
- —in spite of my badness.Scotch_Roman
- I never said the truth was pretty...Christ himself claimed that it would either wound or protect those that hear.Scotch_Roman
- designbot0
"The universe is an awe-inspiring place, controlled by laws of physics that are greater than us and which we will be discovering for the rest of our existence, knowledge that will only support the existence of the order instead of refute it"
Yet in the end, seeing the universe and the great deal of order and complexity that exists everywhere (as you said yourself), you would rather believe that all of this spontaneously just formed out of nothing?
- This is pure faith friend...not just reason.designbot
- No, it's not faith.
Math isn't part of my imagination.monospaced - total agreement with designbot. Well said.PlanktonBro
- morilla0
Aliens help build the Pyramids.
- They're still in progress?Scotch_Roman
- any and all pyramids. try it now, they'll be along shortlykelpie
- Why do you think Toblerone tastes so damn good?Nairn
- It's all so clear nowScotch_Roman
- magnificent_ruin0
where the fuck is teleos?
- monospaced0
Of course I'd rather believe that all of existence was born from natural occurrences and not an intelligent being. Mostly because one is more likely than the other.
- HA!Scotch_Roman
- Clearly. Big Bang? Ex nihilo? Nothing to act upon it? The almighty hydrogen atom?Scotch_Roman
- Where's my lab coat and microscope, I've got to get to church ASAP.Scotch_Roman
- All those things can and will be explained by laws of physics and mathmonospaced
- designbot0
^That is based on faith though, not science.
Richard Dawkins, the icon athiest could not even use scientific evidence to support this view...he had to resort to an "intelligent species" aka aliens "seeding" us here on earth.
- 7point340
so, what!?
we you all hate cocoa now too?
- fucking zealots7point34
- I love cocoa! The spicy kind. Ay caliente!!Scotch_Roman
- Salarrue0
Christianity is getting back all the damage they did in imposing laws and religion to the people, but that doesn't means that there is no value in christian faith...
- designbot0
my point is, when pressed, the scientific community cannot come up with anything that supports this notion of spontaneous life that arose from nothingness.
They resort to aliens and other explanations. Anything to avoid a creator.
- It's trueSalarrue
- can't people just "not know"?DrBombay
- @ Dr well I believe God wants everyone to know him. I think he gave us enough evidence that we all can know...of course some faith is still involved.designbot
- faith is still involved.designbot
- religion is early government.DrBombay
- faith is absolutely everything there, its not 'involved'. my word.kelpie
- fooler20
I thought Elvis was everywhere
- mistermik0
wtf - fucking god karma
- monospaced0
My point is, when pressed, the religious (catholic/christian) community cannot come up with ANYTHING to support their beliefs except for saying the same thing over and over again: God.
I resign that the very beginning could be the result of something intelligent, but that our existence is bound by nothing but the order of the universe and has nothing to do with fictional characters, sin, heaven, hell or Jesus.
- Alright, I'm done. I can't do this anymore. Enjoy hell, sinners!monospaced
- rayborn30000
just to add my salt and pepper to this blog - "Jesus can suck the milk from my tits"
- Salarrue0
we don't need to prove you anything, fuck I don't give a shit. Is a personal choice. you repeat the same shit that someone else wrote or say before you and you believe in that way of life, good for you!
I agree that christian subculture has underestimate knowledge and discussion, science, technology, Art and DESIGN!!! and the religious christian groups struggles big time , but that doesn't mean there is not value in christian faith, Something you have never experienced.
- monospaced0
Are you saying that I am the one repeating "the same shit that someone else wrote or [said] before" me? I made up everything I wrote above, unlike the believers in the fucking Bible.
Western faith has underestimated knowledge, science technology art and design. It does struggle big time and rightly so.
Of course there is value in that faith, because it does want everyone to be good people. But once again, I don't need fear (Hell) or myth (Jesus, miracles, etc) to teach me what I already know. That's it.
- I visualized you saying this all dramatic with your fists in an air of passion ... beautifulrayborn3000
- Salarrue0
If you already know everything why to argue?