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- CygnusZero42
Lol. Trump pulls out of the Paris deal just to check that campaign promise box off, then literally right after that says he would like to get back in. All political.
I kept reading how furious Ivanka was about him pulling out (lolzzz), because she is a liberal democrat and cares about the climate, so I guess this idea of going back in is to appease her.
- monoboy3
- Won't be the first time a republican has pulled out of Paris.monoboy
- "Drill Baby Drill" - Trump, Big Oil
and The GOPutopian - Clean energy is getting cheaper than coal and is creating more jobs. This decision defies all logic. Even his.monoboy
- https://imgix.ranker…Gnash
- ^ That's the one. Glad somebody was paying attention.monoboy
- :)Gnash
- Krassy4
Elon Musk steps down from Trump advisory councils over Paris climate decision
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- awe, that really fucks up omg's thesis that Elon Musk represents Trump's dedication to the sciences, doesn't it?monospaced
- yep :(sted
- The stupid thing is the BreitbartTrumpian fucks not realising that all that spend is investment anyway.detritus
- it's a hopeless ever-imploding void of farce and idiocy, this administration.detritus
- A bunch did, including Bob Iger from Disney.CygnusZero4
- When did Global Warming become a science? (checks calculator) Never.omg
- yuekit5
Out of all the things Trump has done this has to be the worst (second worst would be killing off net neutrality). The idea that the entire world can work for decades on a plan and then one ignorant old guy who can barely type out a complete sentence on his phone comes in and blows it up is pretty hard to fathom.
- he has the help of mitch mcconnell & paul ryan; two more people that need to get out of public servant sector.plash
- It certainly solidified America as one big joke that cares about nothing but it's own asshole.formed
- Ideally the world moves on without the US. The more it gets left behind the more need there will be to change Americans stupid outlook.sofakingback
- Unfortunately, I think the US needs to struggle to learn or else it will never change.sofakingback
- This fucker couldn't pass a GCSE yet he's the leader of the 'free' world.monoboy
- I thought May cut off internet neutrality. Worlds gone barmy!mugwart
- antimotion2
I really don't feel like he actually knows what he's doing.
I think people around him rile him up like a boxer before a fight - poke his tummy, slap his face, make fun of his mother and then let him go outside to cause whatever ruckus he ends up doing.
Or he's like a moronic version of Lex Luthor:
The issue is folks around him allowing to happen - they're actually benefitting financially - it's very selfish and quite a shame.
For all intents and purposes, this goofball is just the messenger.
- it's like a shark feeding frenzy, all taking bites from whoever they can because they know the shit show won't lastmoldero
- In DC Comics parlance, Trump is the bizarro Lex Luthor.face_melter
- antimotion2
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- inteliboy4
Paris accord is a series of goal posts. There is nothing that a country MUST do. It isn't a "deal", but a non-binding rule book for the world to strive for.
Trump is lying. Watch his supporters lap up and parrot his reasoning. "It's unfair for America"
- utopian1
- Lulz, idiots.nb
- https://www.theatlan…nb
- "Department stores have lost 18 times more workers than coal mining since 2001."nb
- One thing that has held coal back is regulations. Coal can be alot cleaner but why invest if government makes it a lost cause. Much like clean diesal in europedeathboy
- diesal regulations stateside set us back probably 20 years, while euro made it work awesome. regulations on perceived cleanliness or lobbying by rail idkdeathboy
- but something to keep in mind. personally i think our coal supply is our trump (heh) card if oil reserves hit low. Use other nations energy reserves first.deathboy
- "clean coal"
lots of fucking laughs.kona - US laughed at clean diesel too. A carbon market where fossil fuels are deemed more expensive with this new currency will really hurt innovationdeathboy
- and gov choosing electricity as a sole winner very well could end up with more than it bargained for with infrastructure problems and no fallbackdeathboy
- could be good for environment if electricity rates get so high watching tv isnt worth it or arguing online about stuffdeathboy
- robotron3k-14
Wow, reading up a bit about the agreement and the sounds like the Paris Accord is a lot of words, posturing and bullshit with USA paying for most of the bill. Reverend Obama didn't even pass the cost through Congress, who actually cuts the checks!
Apparently the cutbacks on emission won't even make a big degree of change, even China and India aren't paying into it and they are huge polluters...
Americans Will Pay Billions for a Useless Climate Agreement
'Determined to display “leadership,” President Obama made the classic mistake of the kid who hears everyone is going skinny-dipping, strips naked, plunges into the water, and then turns to find his dry and still-modest peers laughing from the shore as they run off with his clothes. While everyone else both literally and figuratively mailed in their commitments, the president pledged a dramatic reduction in U.S. emissions: 26 to 28 percent below their 2005 level by 2025. To further grease the skids of international diplomacy, he committed the United States to lead the transfer of $100 billion in annual “climate finance” from the developed world to the developing countries that are pledging nothing.'
- https://mediabiasfac…moldero
- Wow, go fuck yourself. Also, fuck national review.BonSeff
- Lol, Obama intentionally set up the Accord to be financed by Congress years after he's gone. What a moron!robotron3k
- < and there it is.inteliboy
- And bonseff go covfete yourself...robotron3k
- So it was a "dramatic reduction" or not a big degree of change?yuekit
- Of course like Trump himself I'm sure you didn't bother to look into the issue beyond copy pasting an article.yuekit
- It's really sad how every right-winger in America now views taking action on climate change as a partisan issue. So fucking stupid..yuekit
- Sad how a "right winger" makes it a "partisan". bias in the statement? climate change is all political to me.deathboy
- as traditional religions in politics fade we see a need to reinvent new gods. the right traditional heaven hell, the left climate change and socialist utopiasdeathboy
- < You have no idea what the Paris Accord is do you?sofakingback
- what is your summation sofaking?deathboy
- Obama pushed it through with executive orders past congress because the republican science denying ASSHOLES would pass it.monospaced
- *wouldntmonospaced
- thanks for continuously exposing your ignorance roboernexbcn
- Dear Deathboy: Your pseudo-philosophic ramblings are carcinogenic.garbage
- Ah yes robotron. The man who believes climate science is fake, but pro wresting is real.kona
- ^LOLRamanisky2
- carcinogenic to garbage... sounds like i'm doing my part for mother earthdeathboy
- ...garbage
- utopian4
- yupmoldero
- naw, USA is even more badass... on a side note, buy stock in Canada Goose http://www.cnbc.com/…robotron3k
- you travel much robo? "bad ass" is far from USA's image right nowinteliboy
- If that guy is publicly backing it then it's safe to assume it's not a good thing to back.set
- deathboy-1
this paris agreement thing is great. Great if you understand unlimited spending on "terrorism" is no different than unlimited spending on "climate change". Both cost a shit ton. Do little and cause chaos economically for the little people who don't want to be involved. Did the US war on drugs work? Has the war on terrorism worked? Why do we think a war against climate change work? And i say war because it would come at quite a costly price and sacrifice.
It was only a economic weapons deal amongst renewable energy vs the typical oil war shit. I think this is good. Hopefully help dissolve Teslas valuation and tank the lobbyists and parties holding stake in this shit. No treaties he cant get subsidization for over priced shipping trucks(which wired wrote a piece the other day on how likely they are), solar roofing(which is a loss without 15k subsidy... if u stay 30 years...),and all his public bus contract stuff he was hoping for. I still find it so funny he chose the name tesla while operating similar to edison. I wonder if he did it as a joke.
Trump is an idiot. Ill put this in his accidental win column.
- So by the same logic government can't prevent pollution or eliminate disease. Have you ever been to a real developing country? Because that would disprove youryuekit
- argument pretty quickly. Ironically Trump is doubling down on exactly the two things you pointed out as failures, war on terrorism and war on drugs.yuekit
- what country has prevented pollution and disease? and i said this is an accidental win for trump who has no philosophy who is doubling down on lost causesdeathboy
- im not a trump a fan, but lets call a win a win. since you dont disagree with my logic on war on drugs and terror and there failure i assume you agree climatedeathboy
- is the same, just trying to figure out how to group it all into a single opinion about the guydeathboy
- Compare a slum in India with a town in Western Europe. You're saying there's no difference in pollution or health or that government had no role in that?yuekit
- If you look at past 100 years in terms of science, public health it's actually amazing how much was achieved.yuekit
- public health? or private health? did india or europe kill all pollution and disease and what was the cost?deathboy
- id say public health has without any doubt been a disaster. US is one of the last hold outs financing the rest of the worlds R&D.deathboy
- of course at the cost of public health... which sucks for most but hurts the smallest people. A good way to keep them under gov thumbdeathboy
- is there more sickness in new dehli vs london? is there other factors like britain owning india for ages? Need something more for your pointdeathboy
- also you didnt address if you agree the war on climate is the same as war on drugs, etc and that it is failed effort. would u at least confirm that?deathboy
- During the 20th century life expectancy almost doubled in developed countries. Infant mortality was reduced by 90%.yuekit
- And yes many diseases were almost completed eliminated thanks to vaccination and better treatments. All of this happened with the growth of the social welfareyuekit
- state. For a simple reason that the increases came from the poorest sectors of society, who wouldn't be able to afford these things if they weren't publiclyyuekit
- provided.yuekit
- I mean the list goes on and on...safe drinking water, sanitation, literacy...all these things that completely define the modern world. You'd really have to beyuekit
- an ideologue to ignore all of that.yuekit
- that is all textbook BS that it had anything to do with government. be more specific because the generalization you mentioned is too boring to be bluntdeathboy
- and id love to hear you state u think the war on climate is as useless as drugs and terror. you already agreed, but id love a direct statementdeathboy
- thinking yuekit you might be struggling with the same public idea fallacy that has ruined every fully realized public endeavor.deathboy
- haha OK whatever man. I pointed out a number of specific examples which you failed to debunk.yuekit
- that things happened because of gov/public control. maybe thats why people still humor the idea of socialism and its tendencies. a false history of thingsdeathboy
- which wouldn't be a surprise i was raised to believe FDR was a hero. But i learned "facts" and dates before i learned realized what philosophy was.deathboy
- maybe like diogenes i can easily change the direction i walk while other cannot.deathboy
- You can have whatever philosophy you want. All I'm saying is that as an objective fact, government was the mechanism by which these things were achieved.yuekit
- If your philosophy doesn't agree with the evidence, the solution is not to throw out the evidence :)yuekit
- dude all the disease stuff was already in decline before vaccinations. mortality rates better with technology, however that is double edged and weakens genedeathboy
- adds costs... but your talking as societies grow, not gov welfare or control. all societies in history that rely on that have faileddeathboy
- is cooperation and having limited gov to protect rights and individuals and coordinate some complex tasks for sure. also know those systems will decaydeathboy
- with no competition, growth, and in the end faulter. local power companies monopolies are nice for communities, but it stunts innovation.deathboy
- a EPA standard of catalytic converters create more costs for little people at the pump and on the car. while putting in a hurdle for engineersdeathboy
- again diesel fuel. every gov mandate comes at a cost that harms a group of people or stifles innovation. these carbon agreements would onlydeathboy
- "dude all the disease stuff was already in decline before vaccinations."
That's not really true at all though. Just to give one example, 50,000 people wereyuekit - only hurt the little guys while growing government, banks, and the corporations that jump on board. it will greatly reduce peoples liberties. its up theredeathboy
- getting smallpox every year in the U.S. in the early 1900s and many of them died from it. Vaccination programs eventually succeeded in wiping out the diseaseyuekit
- with the bad ideas like limited work hours or days. plus like health now if that is there cause there is almost unlimited things they can regulate in our livesdeathboy
- not just from the U.S. but from the entire world.yuekit
- could control number of cows a farm can have, which controls beef prices, where poor lose access to beef, it really will help kill the middleclass fasterdeathboy
- the thing is we both want the same end. i choose the way that is scary and free, you choose the way every nation has tried and failed. you need to let go ideadeathboy
- of control. that there are angelic omnimpotent rulers to solve the problems that hinder your daily live and offer you heaven on earthdeathboy
- lol no one is saying heaven on earth...just that the idea that government can't achieve anything good is silly.yuekit
- Eradicating smallpox like I posted above is a great example. Another would be the success of the EPA in reducing air pollution.yuekit
- oh yea im not an anarchist. but the primary role of government is liberty. he who gives up liberty for security deserves neitherdeathboy
- and on governments achieving good things. we need more of them to measure good. small locally, decentralized. need to rely less on federal govdeathboy
- example many states have looked at single payer healthcare only to find out its impossible. if they cant make it work for them, how can it work on a nationaldeathboy
- level. trying to push things like that at federal level is a terrible terrible idea. we've seen how health has scyrocketed right after medicare/medicaid was estdeathboy
- was that a good? apparently not. 401k loopholes? Good for big banks, bad for peoples sovereignty. On the federal stage bad measures brign down the whole countrydeathboy
- The thing is we're going to have to deal with climate change one way or the other. We can try to reduce how bad it is ahead of time or we can do nothingyuekit
- and deal with the full consequences which will get progressively worse the longer we use fossil fuels.yuekit
- Seems like the first option would be much smarter unless you are 70 year old like Donald Trump and dead soon anyway.yuekit
- the way i see it climate change will eventually get us anyways, like old age. Can save all your money and reduce quality of life early for extended sufferingdeathboy
- later or live now and be free. But right now there is no way to even measure quality of life to extended time... maybe trump doing this will finely spur individdeathboy
- uals to be more self-concious or handle things locally. Which would be better than creating some gobalist carbon carteldeathboy
- how well has NATO worked out in its goals of prevention... i see the intention yuekit, but i jsut dont see it working and in this case not doing anything seemsdeathboy
- the better option. see what the future holds i guessdeathboy
- lowimpakt3
Trump desperately needed a new distraction
Let's wait and see if his supporters read the detail of the Paris accord, the implications for the future of the global economy.
I wonder if any of them have looked at the transition period and asked why the US will technically leave the day after the next election.
- please explain your insightsdeathboy
- you can't just leave the accord accord. It will take years. Trump may be gone at that stage but he's got a new distraction and doesn't care about implicationslowimpakt
- He is rooted in an old mindset about the relationship between the global economy,
technology, environment and global politics.lowimpakt - The mind of nothingness.utopian
- ? so u think its all a farce. A promise of the lips? just a stunt to to try and entertain both sides?deathboy
- Yes. I believe Trump's entire presidency is a farce but there's nothing entertaining about itlowimpakt
- well i cant argue that one. I can totally agree. The kicker is it was democratically elected. Why have people become so enamored with entertainersdeathboy
- for politicians. again i think neil postman covered it expertly as to why. no different than even socrates speaks about democracy and mobdeathboy
- and his healthcare example of fixing has been less reasonable so i could totally see a hogwash of climate policydeathboy
- utopian4
- what is a scientist focused on world improvement with 0 knowledge of economics and free markets? perhaps a failed dictator?deathboy
- after all the paris climate accord has little to do with real science anyways. if you look at every single carbon model you will find it has been proven falsedeathboy
- the hubris that we are somehow all wise or at least someone else is and can solve all problems... god manifested into "science"deathboy
- so why did the rest of the planet sign this accord? USA included?uan
- Economics is a social science.lowimpakt
- signed it for politics and individual gain wether money or power or status. same reason everyone does stuff.deathboy
- more than anything a fictious symbol of fools like having children sing the pedge of allegiencedeathboy
- and i like to think of economics as more of a philosophy. Social science can study the economic philsophies of cultures. venezuala vs hongkongdeathboy
- Economies are ever different by the way one perceives the world and value. Im not even sure there is "science" to it. it is to organic and relativedeathboy
- You can think that if you like but it's actually a social science.lowimpakt
- that's a bold judgement against the rest of humanity.uan
- why no government has been successful at steering economies. its like ever changing cancerdeathboy
- you are assigning the value of a social science and i am not. how does that fair with your view of economies vs minedeathboy
- "why no government has been successful at steering economies" eh?inteliboy
- how do you define success in economics? more endless gain for the few rich ppl? abolish poverty? peace?uan
- uan i make bold judgements. ill back it with plenty of evidence by researching parties involved. altruism is a lie. Sold by the right religious picked up by thedeathboy
- left eliteistsdeathboy
- its all spectacle for politic posturing at the whims of the best lobbyists who influenced the most. the goals of it will never be met, but it gives leveragedeathboy
- for policy. think why we would need an accord in the first place? why cant we go alone? what benefit us in a group? you soon see realitydeathboy
- you are assuming I take a side here, instead I was just trying to make you think about your the opinion you are trying to defend.uan
- it's ridiculous to think protection of the environment is against free markets. also your guy is fighting free market economics with protectionism.uan
- Economics sits within the department of social science in most universitieslowimpakt
- uan you are mistaken he is my guy. Protecting environments has nothing to do with free markets. the market determines the level of protection that serves itsdeathboy
- interests. there is no free market if you assign arbitrary value and rules on the whim of environmental studies. again diesal in the USdeathboy
- Low. funny i was builidng out a course study for australia where surfing was a class and Lyon a photography. I think of universities as car dealershipsdeathboy
- So that circular reasoning doesnt work for me. But again "perception of value" which is what drives all economiesdeathboy
- The carbon model has not been proven false though.monospaced
- Also we don't have free markets. We have subsidised interests.lowimpakt
- deathboy likes to claim that global warming isn't real but he provides no basis for that. just look at all the nonsense he's written so far.dorf
- seriouslymonospaced
- I've heard his refrain, almost word for word, predictable and angsty from other Trump supporters. It's like they all believe every word Trump says.monospaced
- They ignore the fact that 2 seconds after withdrawing, he's talking about getting back in, and defend it like mindless warriors fighting the cause for stupid.monospaced
- dorf. clearly i believe in climate change. im just not daft enough to think we can stop it.deathboy
- so you don't think we as a species are to blame at all?monospaced
- i think we have an impact, i dont think we have any real idea of how to measure our impact. you do know how the data models work right?deathboy
- take the stock market for example. small in comparison to global climate. plenty of stock models and predictions with a ton of datadeathboy
- and hardly is it correct, global climate has even less data and more spaced out. buoys in the ocean in 9000mi radius. old farm data with huge margin of errordeathboy
- and not one data model from the "scientist" data modelers proven accurate. think about what what it is they are tryign to prove or predictdeathboy
- its so much money wasted chasing a rainbow that we are really powerless to change, but i guess it makes moneydeathboy
- there really is a problem in the world with terms like "expert", "scientist". How many brand experts in your office are full of shit? Why is everyone and expertdeathboy
- because its easy to hide behind a substitute term. Makes you stop thinking. I mentioned in blog i almost fell into that trap buying a used cardeathboy
- relied a KBB to dictate a value thinking they were the experts, so much easier to substitute others expertness than thinkingdeathboy
- not sure where you heard that the science isn't accurate, but the claim that they've all proven false is .. .well ... false.monospaced
- I think the idea that you consider yourself more in the know than the last 100 years of experts is laughably ridiculous, and incredibly hypocritical.monospaced
- haha im not an expert. and averaging data means is math not science. and its hindsight math, why no models produced have been accuratedeathboy
- its important to know what you don't know for real learnin. which model do you prefer mono? probably don't even know one, and yet you believedeathboy
- I never claimed to be an expert either, I wouldn't be so naive. But I do know people who have dedicated their lives to the sciences, including energy.monospaced
- and climate ... and I do trust them. You're right, I don't know the models either, I'll give you that.monospaced
- yea people try to have faith in what they don't know, its human. The problem is disinformation leads people to think these scientists are of the empirical kinddeathboy
- think 30 years ago people would likely say well i dont know, now people say i know because i was told. culture is changingdeathboy
- or maybe its gods are changing. bible followers were told. always have said religious right and far left are cut from the same cloth, just matter of following adeathboy
- 30 years ago it was just as bad. Making presumptions worse having faith in those people who actually KNOW what they're talking about, btw.monospaced
- *is worse thanmonospaced
- present vs non present omnipotent good seeking being.deathboy
- "yea people try to have faith in what they don't know, its human." how ironic. "its important to know what you don't know for real learnin." lol!!dorf
- dorf would u like to make an adult statement?deathboy
- I get funny if you don't understand it. But i cant see it being funny if you understand it. Ill be happy to walk you through any misunderstandingsdeathboy
- and mono i dont see how making rational argument against "those in the KNOW" is a bad thing. And i retain 30 years ago it was different. media is differentdeathboy
- too much generic disinformation giving assured opinions on topics they know nothing about. like you said you are so sure yet know nothingdeathboy
- no model you agree with or reason, just you have friends in science and they think so so u agree... remebr when your parents said if everyon jumped off a bridgedeathboy
- i think people 30 years ago were more honest because they didnt have pressure to know or not. not tied to identity. culture was entirely differentdeathboy
- the global cooling crowd an eco movement were fringe, misinformed "scientists" but had the hell ring to make money.deathboy
- now a days any one who reads a 5 minutes article from a "expert" acts like they're an expert. never challenging their own views or expandind upon themdeathboy
- set-4
- Wish war mongering shits downvote this then?set
- calm downmonospaced
- Like anyone cares what he says. He is a terrorist. If he steps foot in this country he would be imprisoned, or executed for treason.CygnusZero4
- hahahaset
- Murikah!set
- monoboy6
- sums upmugwart
- we dont deserve to be in charge of this planetBluejam
- yes we do! just not the people currently running it!mugwart
- We could have paradise here on earth. Sadly, everybody is looking for it elsewhere.monoboy
- I think you're missing the point. If humanity were to die because of its destructive habits that in turn is natural selection. Intelligence is gauged on your...sofakingback
- ability to save yourself. Not short term profits, like the next cool iPhone or Gas prices. If humanity makes the world into a shit hole and parishes, then...sofakingback
- it's meant to be. Because its not like we would do any better on another planet. This is who we are.sofakingback
- yuekit3
- This is who gets to make decisions on the future of humanity...and some of you think this is a smart and good thing lmaoyuekit
- Don't forget the senator that brought a snowball into the house to explain away global warming. That's the level we're dealing with here.monoboy
- I'm no trump supporter but what exactly is wrong about what he's saying here? Climate change is happening at similar rates on all planets in our solar system...set
- The lie that humans are responsible is financially motivated, like he says. Good isn't to say we don't need to sort our act out and stop polluting the planet.set
- That isn't to say*set
- If the governments involved really gave a shit about the planet instead of money then we'd have Nicola Tesla inspired free every by now and wouldn't useset
- fossil fuels or plastic at all.set
- Energy* instead they shut any and all attempts at sustainable energy down and want to tax you on the energy they sell you.set
- Yet you all shout BUT ETHICS and side with them. Sad and embarrassingset
- "they shut any and all attempts at sustainable energy down" this is clearly not true but safely transitioning energy systems is complexlowimpakt
- The amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere affect the climate. That is very basic and uncontroversial science and something that is also observed onyuekit
- You're right. I didn't really mean sustainable, I meant non profitable.set
- other planets. So why is it so hard to believe that billions of humans, driving cars and pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere at record levels, could beyuekit
- contributing to the planet heating up?yuekit
- Looked into the other planets heating at the same rate thing BTW -- seems not to be true based on what I am seeing.yuekit
- Anyway, what is wrong with what he is saying...even if you don't believe in climate change for whatever reason Trump seems to be coming at it from a place ofyuekit
- complete ignorance. It's cold in New York so climate change is fake? lol. Or the China thing which he apparently just made up out of nowhere.yuekit
- I won't argue with you that Trump is apparently generally a complete idiot. I also won't do your research for you but here's an instant link -set
- http://news.national…set
- You only have to look at the behaviour of the sun in the last 30 years compared to the last 200 to see that things are changing on a system wide levelset
- No doubt we need to sort our act out as we are completely fucking up our planet, no one can deny that.set
- ....but charging for plastic bags and taxing fuel usage is not the answer.set
- I'm sure the sun does affect the heat of the planet to some degree, but I don't see how that disproves man made climate change.yuekit
- It's kind of like when people say "the climate has always changed"...of course it has but that doesn't mean we aren't causing it now or that it won't be ayuekit
- lol ... you link to an article 10 years old and ironically enough if you go to the Nat Geo homepage .... http://www.nationalg…Bluejam
- The worlds top experts do not believe the suns activity is responsible though. These aren't all corrupted scientists either, they simply care about the world.monospaced
- complete disaster. Even a small change can have a huge effect in terms of food shortages, flooding, conflicts, migration.yuekit
- It's pretty far fetched to think that the entire science community, the leaders of over 100 nations, and climate change experts are all in on some massive hoaxmonospaced
- It would be completely uncontroversial if it wasn't for the economic implications which is why these conspiracy theories exist in the first place.yuekit
- It's well documented that the oil industry has pumped hundreds of millions into disinformation campaigns to raise doubts...there's your conspiracy.yuekit
- 10 years isn't really much when we're talking about the suns activity, is it bluejam... ? What's your point exaclty...set
- Denying the science of man-made climate impact is a huge business.monospaced
- I just linked to a nice mainstream source that tells you the ice is melting on other planets in a similar rate as ours.set
- 100 nations only give a shit about climate change when they can make money from it.set
- Tax us more on the items they sell us that are causing the problem. BUT ETHICSset
- So the agreement makes those 100+ nations money, but taxes only the US? C'mon. It actually promotes business and jobs in those sectors.monospaced
- You have it exactly backwards...it's actually very difficult and not profitable to move to new energy sources.yuekit
- The money and political incentives are all on the side of keeping the oil pumping. That's why it took years of negotiations to reach even this voluntary deal...yuekit
- Who said anything about taxing only the US?set
- Energy should be free and clean.
Could be free and clean.set - It's just another classic case of trying to treat the symptom rather than fixing the cause.set
- What's wrong with paying or sacrificing a little to not destroy the planet?yuekit
- Of course yuekit, that's the point. They have the whole planet by the balls because of oil, when they know full well there are better, cleaner, cheaper options.set
- - but non profitable.set
- You mentioned plastic bags...maybe you think climate change is made up but the effects of plastic trash should be pretty obvious. Why is that unreasonable?yuekit
- ideally the move towards clean energy should have no money-strings attached. that it does doesn't mean it's a stitch-up or a hoax.Fax_Benson
- Climate change is undeniably real, I didn't say that for a second. I also said TWICE that obviously we need to sort our act out and stop destroying the planetset
- Do you even read my comments?set
- There is a wealth of information and testimony out there of people making headway with free energy and it being sabotagedset
- OBVIOUSLY the people that have the whole planet to ransom with fossil fuel would do everything within their grasp to hold on to that powerset
- anyway, where's set?Fax_Benson
- set, you said that the Agreement is a tax on the US, but then you said othe nations like it because it makes money ... so are you implying it only taxes the US?monospaced
- I'm just saying that as usual people are focusing on bullshit symptoms rather than the case, the real issueset
- The agreement can't be profitable to all countries except the US. And 95%+ of all experts on the matter can't all be delusional. They are focusing on the issue.monospaced
- Mono, I didn't say either of the things you just said I did....?set
- You seem to be completely missing my point and attributing other imaginary points to me. Bizarre...set
- You did, actually. I see your point, but I simply disagree.monospaced
- I'm sorry if I misunderstood. You said "100 nations only give a shit about climate change when they can make money from it" ...monospaced
- and I THOUGHT you were arguing also that the Agreement is just a tax on nations. I felt it was contradictory. Apologies if I misunderstood.monospaced
- Trump seems to think the Agreement was costing the US a ton and that pulling out would save $. But you're implying other nations are profiting from it. Oh well.monospaced
- I meant the tax receivers,the state of each country, taxes its citizens...?set
- I said nothing about the USset
- This agreement isn't adding any taxes though. It's saying countries should coordinate together to reduce use of oil and fossil fuels.yuekit
- sadly I don't see how it's possible to completely uncouple green tech / clean energy etc from money. In fact ROI is an essential componentFax_Benson
- So if it profits nations and betters the climate, then why would Trump want out? If it promotes new business and jobs, why would he declare it a bad deal?monospaced
- If the paris agreement doesn't end up bringing in further taxes, yuekit, then I shall eat my keyboard.set
- I'm, again with Set on this. This will all be about more taxes and costs, with very little impact on the real world.mugwart
- It really has nothing at all to do with taxes. If an individual country wants to tax pollution that's up to them, but wouldn't be part of an internationalyuekit
- agreement like this. What this is really about is synchronizing the move to renewables. If countries do it together then it has a chance to work.yuekit
- Well, despite the administration's decision to withdraw, most companies invested in the Agreement are ignoring it and will proceed accordingly. Fuck Trump.monospaced
- inteliboy6
Next time someone tries to school you about climate change, ask them if they are a fucking climate change scientist. If not, punch them in the dick.
Or vag.
It's like your clients wifes 14 year old neice chiming in with feedback on a multimillion dollar branding campaign. Thousands of hours of expertise and work destroyed by the flimsy opinion of a child because she read something about "flat design" being cool. Cast in point, set reading ONE article, a 10 year old article - but it reinforces his world view, hence is all of a sudden a point of debate and contention. Seriously fuck off.
- Ah yes Inteliboy. The man who accepts weather predictions from a rodent but denies climate change evidence from scientists.kona
- Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens.monoboy
- I had this made into a poster and put on the walls of my last studio as part of a re-brand.monoboy
- Uninformed opinions have no place in business, never mind government.monoboy
- What's even funnier is the entire planets liberal elite think one Paris "agreement" will help save all the planet.robotron3k
- a) it's not just the liberals
b) they're not elite
c) it will help save the planetmonospaced - 'Liberal elite' just means somebody that has read a fucking book nowadays.monoboy
- Ivanka is a liberal elite.monospaced
- Shale and natural gas production which drops the price of oil, has so far been the best solution to spur investment in alternative sources.IRNlun6
- Solar and wind are expensive and a poor replacement for the worlds energy demands, harmful to the environment, and retain heat.IRNlun6
- It takes 100s of tonnes of steel and concrete to create 1 wind turbine that has a life span of 20 years. That is not an environmentally friendly alternative.IRNlun6
- Also solar panels are highly toxic to develop. Rejecting this climate deal is not a rejection of science, it's a rejection of policy.IRNlun6
- Funny ... Trump, nor any of his administration, articulated any of what you said. They gave completely different reasons altogether. Hmmm...monospaced
- You're right. Let's just burn a fuck tonne of Coal and oil and frack the fuck out of the planet for more. Who gives a fuck right?kona
- Let's just ignore the fact that Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the US, has in writing said that he doesn't believe in climate change, and just make up shit.monospaced
- Unless, of course, he was just lying about all that, in which case, you're defending a lying sack of shit with no backbone.monospaced
- Oil rigs, coal mines and fracking facilities don't use 100s tonnes of steel, concrete and pollutant chemicals? Who knew.monoboy
- I've noticed a consistent trend of Trump supporters making up "explanations" for his actions that he never himself said.yuekit
- Every energy solution leaves a footprint. But fossil fuels continue to add to it once used though, renewables less so.monoboy
- Electric cars require huge lithium mines to supply batteries. Again, a finite resource. But they produce no emissions. Green fuel isn't a zero sum game.monoboy
- How many times have you heard a client say 'Let's stick to what we know', or 'that's how we've always done it' and felt like closing down a contract on the spotmonoboy
- @yuekit, me too!monospaced
- One of my clients is a renewable energy agency. Learnt a thing or two about it. the issue isn't generating energy, it's storing and distributing it.monoboy
- Chronic underfunding in existing energy grid system means it needs overhauling. Until it becomes a cast iron return, big industry won't touch it.monoboy
- Elon is pioneering energy storage.monospaced
- There was a lot of innovation happening in the UK until Cameron scrapped funding. Mostly Universities but some fund assistance from big corps like Shell and BP.monoboy
- kona does this mean are all we going to die because if this??robotron3k
- Does that even deserve an answer? That's the kind of question a 4 year old would ask a scientist who'd come to their school for a talk. My god man...kona
- robo really covfefe'd thatmonospaced
- Ramanisky23
- hahaha, I like this Trump better than SNLs. Sassy trump is the best tho. Because its real. Its fucking REAL.sofakingback
