God's warriors
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- Mimio0
Do the Angels and Demons stand up to scientific scrutiny too?
I think we've already established that the hidden face of God cannot be perceived with anything other than supernatural belief.
- Crouwel0
i think it would take major disaster or war that really shifts conscience.
like WWII did for Europe. BEfore that Europe was terrorized by the destructive effects of empirialism since the Romans..
- BonSeff0
sorry, my pissed off attempt at sarcasm. im just bent that we see fit to nation build in oil rich countries, but we cant give a hand to our homeless, physically and mentally ill and elderly.
also, i cant believe that nobody will admit to the fact that the only way to stop imigration is to mix in a little nation building to our south of the border.
but what the fuck do i know
- flagellum0
How bout raising his son from the dead for numerous eye-witnesses to report? And which caused 12 cowards to suddenly forsake their lives and turn the world upside with the message of the event.
How bout fulfilling the prophecy of the destruction of the temple in 70 AD?
How bout transforming countless hearts and lives with the message of the risen Christ?
I think he has sufficiently demonstrated his existance and power.
and if he were to "prove" himself, that would elimate freewill and thus, faith. He doesn't want robots.
- planet010
He isn't even close to the military conquer the torah calls for.
//Please expound upon this. Much of prophesy is not specific and could be misinterpreted. OT prophecies aren't nullified by who Jesus was, they are fullfilled.
The kingdom of god refers to the end of the world.
//The Kingdom is thought by many to mean something other than the end of the world. Google this verse - you'll find about a million viewpoints.
- kelpie0
hell crouwel, for ten dolla, I'm anyones...
- TheBlueOne0
After rejecting my catholic upbringing when I was 15 or so I spent years searching through all different spiritual and religious bodies of thought, even briefly touching back on christianity..after all of it I am happy to say I'm primarily an athiest with allowable cheat room for error. That said, a few Zen stories I read through years back have always stuck with me as they have a ring of truth. I would like to share:
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A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin and asked: "Is there realy a paradise
and a hell?""Who are you?" inquired Hakuin.
"I am a samurai," the warrior replied.
"You, a soldier!" exclaimed Hakuin. What kind of ruler would have you as his guard?
Your face looks like that of a beggar.Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword, but Hakuin continued:
"So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head."As Nosbushige drew his sword Hakuin remarked: Here open the gates of hell!"
At these words the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, sheathed his sword
and bowed.Here open the gates of paradise," said Hakuin."
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Tanzan and Ekido were once travleing down a muddy road.
A heavy rain was still falling.Coming around a bend, they met a lovely girl in a silk komono and sash,
unable to cross the intersection."Come on girl," said Tanzan at once. Lifting her in his arms, he carried her
over the mud.Ekido did not speak again until that night when they reached a lodging temple.
Then he could no longer restrain himself. "We monks don't go near females,"
he told Tanzan, especially young and lovely ones. It is dangerous. Why did
you do that."I left the girl there," said Tanzan. "Are you still carrying her?"
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A rich man asked Sengai to write something for the continued prosperity of his family so
that it might be treasured from generation to generation.Sengai obtained a large piece of paper and wrote, "Father dies, son dies, grandson dies."
The rich man became angry . "I asked you to write something for the happiness of my family!
Why do you make such a joke as this?""No joke is intended, explained Sengai. "If before you yourself die your son should die ,
" this would grieve you greatly. If your grandson should pass away before your son, both
of you would be broken-hearted. If your family, generation after generation, passes away
in the order I have named, it will be the natural course of life. I call this real prosperity."
- mrdobolina0
don't tell me I need a savior.
- paraselene0
finally we're getting somewhere.
- bolus0
and out, work is to be done
- Brookoioioi0
If you can't be good without the threat of punishment or the promise of reward in the afterlife this is your problem. Most of us are good in the here and now because we think it is the right thing to do and understand the simple principle, i don't like it when bad things happen to me so i'll try not to do them to other people. Not because some angry sky-faerie tells us to.
- mrdobolina0
agree with both of you, all you need to do is look at that chart of military spending around the world to see we have the cash to do tons of good shit, I mean even if we loan sharked it out, which is more likely to happen.
- Brookoioioi0
Man you are so full of shit you must squeak when you go round corners.
- TheBlueOne0
"Debating a creationist is like playing chess with a pigeon - they knock the pieces over, crap on the board, then flap back to the flock to claim victory."
- gramme0
incog, you hit the the nail on the head. Brook, it's obvious that nothing I say could ever cause you to stand back and wonder "hm, he might have a point there." You have clearly proven that you were entirely shut off to the possibility of God's existence, the gospel message and the notion of creationism. It's pretty sad and it proves nothing except your bitterness and illogical hatred of people who believe in things that don't make sense to Brookoioioi Almighty.
You know what? Faith doesn't make sense to people outside of it. God is by nature supernatural and thus superlogical, above and beyond the limits of our logic and limited mental faculties.
That being said, I think it is worthwhile to address some of your thoughts, as I find it necessary to answer such blasphemy and attempt to pacify such vehemence.
""fallacious claims? Prove it. I've said before that I can't fully prove my belief in creationism because NO ONE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED. You can't fully prove your belief in Darwinism because NO ONE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED."
Fallacious claim number 1.
This is such a pitiful argument, murders happen when no-one was there to see them, police investigate the crime scene, forensics and such, maybe find some DNA and identify the killer. Doe you really expect me to believe someone has to see something happen to work out what happened?
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Any fool can see that when a court of law finds enough evidence against a murderer, even if there were no eyewitnesses, the defendant is determined to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Without witnesses, however, no crime can ever be proven absolutely. There is always the possibility of misread evidence (i.e. Darwinism), and suspects being framed (i.e. people such as yourself who predetermine the outcome of an argument).
When the evidence against a suspect is compelling enough, the court's collective mind is at ease knowing that there isn't a large margin for error in their judgment. You however, refuse to accept the possibility of a biblical God who created the world because you don't like the idea from the get-go. God help me from ever being tried by such a jury if I am ever put on trial for a crime.
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""There simply isn't a need to belittle someone's intelligence or to say that God is a myth when you CANNOT prove such a notion."
Fallacious claim number 2
The burden of proof is on you to prove gods existence, not in the form of voices in peoples heads or a warm fuzzy feeling inside you but with solid evidence that can be examined independently."
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Thankfully, the burden to prove God's existence is not on me. He does that well enough himself. Your blindness makes it impossible for you to see that. I can try to explain things to you until I am blue in the face, but ultimately it is not my job to produce God or any god for that matter. If there is a God or gods, he/they will prove themselves to those with eyes to see.
Have a read of Scripture, all of it. It is without flaw. Every loophole that entrepreneuring skeptics have found can be resoundingly disproven. I speak in general terms here since you have not yet made a specific claim about any part of Scripture being false. If you do choose to present possible loopholes that you come across, I am happy to discuss your findings. I will often have answers, but sometimes I will not. This goes back to my point above that God is superlogical and cannot be fully understood by us humans until our minds are perfected and the mortal veil is removed.
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"Forget all your science, there is a fundamental, untenable flaw in the Darwinist model that deflates the whole framework of theory, right down at the root of it all. Darwinism at its core is a philosophy, and a very poor one at that."
Fallacious claim number 3
There is mountains of evidence supporting Darwinism, literally mountains. If it wasn't so it would be rejected by the scientific community, thats what science is about. Just because you haven't read or understood the volumes upon volumes of real, hard, verifiable evidence doesn't mean it isn't there and accurate.
There are so many more asinine and scrambled ideas in your posts i hardly know where to begin, but to bring it back to the beginning, someone claiming to be a deity incarnate is not evidence, if god exists, he could demonstrate it in a undeniable way that would leave doubters like me no option but to believe. All the anecdotes of personal experience of god are not evidence of anything except self delusion.
Brookoioioi
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The above rebuttal can be directed back to my courtroom analogy. I believe that the physical historical record has been misread by Darwinists. Flagellum has pointed you to numerous places where this has been brought to light. Thus the verdict, while accepted by the general court of scientific "law", may have been proven in most minds but still has a margin for error. Face it, absolute truth has not been created by Darwinism. There are too many missing links, too many ambiguous fossil records, too many inconsistent findings from the antiquated method of carbon dating (too much room for error there).
While I believe in the God of the Bible and a world created by him, I cannot prove it to you beyond a reasonable doubt. You are right that someone claiming to be deity does not a God prove. Completely correct. This was however not the thrust of my point. The God-proving in his coming to earth was in his death and resurrection. His subsequent 40 days among the living has been documented by many: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res…
...Of course, as you may see in this wiki entry, there are theories attempting to poke holes in it, and some with stronger arguments than others. As hard as many people have tried (see James Cameron's recent efforts) to debunk the resurrection story, it has yet to be disproven. After 2000 years.
You obviously are not impressed by such things. At the end of the day, I am happy to be a fool for Christ. I can sleep soundly at night knowing that there is a truth out there that is bigger than me, and that it will prove itself in spite of my best efforts and worst mistakes.
- kelpie0
well, like I said...
- incog0
Sorry, that came off way more preachy than I intended. I need some breakfast.
Cheers, Flagellum, all.
- ethered0
"didn't believe for years, then God basically kicked me square in my stubborn head and made it impossible for me to avoid or ignore him."
I believed and still got my arse kicked. LOL
- BonSeff0
china is our loan shark
barges from china outbid any nafta deal on the table
mexico is so fucked.
the industry in america has left the building
all we the people have to export is ignorance and minimum credit card payments.
