its about to hit the fan
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- TheBlueOne0
I understand they have to respect it but they won't... its their culture, its who they are..
To them its like me Bush sending a maid to speak to their leaders... its just disrespect..
but oh well heh
Momentum2
(Jul 27 06, 11:49)
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Hey brother, they got to respect us as well...they can't be telling us who we choose as our secretary of state.And boy, they'll be offended when Hillary is elected, eh?
- exador10
cheers dobs
:)i think the world in general is sick to death of the whole situation.
at the root of it, is that the palestinians have no seperate but equal country.
once that happens, all the tension and squabbles that are built upon it become groundless.
you attack the root cause, you will remove the symptoms..ie, terror attacks, etc.any terror attacks, or threats after the palestinians are free have no basis..no reason for being...and can be utterly RUTHLESSY crushed.
- Momentum20
And boy, they'll be offended when Hillary is elected, eh?
TheBlueOne
(Jul 27 06, 11:51)oh thats another story in itself ;)
- joyride0
Hillary... ha. Never going to happen man. why don't we start with her as maybe? a vp and that is a big maybe?
- Mimio0
It's very optimistic to think that a Palestinian state will stop the violence. Looming western pressence and threats won't help it any, either.
- mrdobolina0
I love how that twat republican just disappears when he gets his ass handed to him.
nice that he basically admitted iraq was a mistake though.
should take some wind out of his sails.
- exador10
mimio..
all i'm trying to say is that the muslim extremists side of the arguement usually hangs on 'free the palestinians'..blah blah..once that is achieved, you remove their cause....without a cause, it's hard to motivate folks..
the difficult part is that israel itself makes it difficult...they claim they have no partner for peace..but when you kidnapp an assload of hamas elected officials, it makes it hard for them to come to the table and negotiate...
face it...they're not terribly interested in negotiation...
neither side is..thats the main trouble here isn't it?
neither side wants to sit down with the other..
both want to kick ass.so.
either we step in and force them to get along, and that starts with establishing a free palestine...
or.
get out alltogether.
no more supporting israel
no supporting anybody..
let em destroy each other.i'm not really in favour of that..but i can't think of what else will work...
- TenaciousG0
nah, only way to win a guerilla war is to kill all the guerillas, kill all the guerillas brothers, kill all their cousins, kill all their friends and kill all their children before they are old enough to lift a gun.
that's the thing about this kind of war, every 'forward step' taken, results in more problems down the line.
kelpie
(Jul 27 06, 11:51)HOORAY ethnic cleansing! BOO irregular warfare!
(If this were a red stripe commercial, I could imagine this...)
- algorithm0
he is also discipler/flagellum so he is prolly off defending Intelligent Design or looking at kiddie porn.
- exador10
i know dobby.
some of that dudes arguements really stun me.
i can't figure out how he can really believe some of that stuff...but he seems to.as for the 'whats your plan' nonsense...that just makes no sense...
the big plan would have been not to go in at all...how about that?
now that we are there...well...its a civil war isn't it..
its a bit late for plans when you're in the middle of a civil war...
say what you want about saddam..but the busses ran, the electriciy worked...
he kept Iran in checkkinda makes ya miss the guy..
he had NO love for the islamist extremists either...hmmmmmm....
think if we asked nicely, he'd come back?;)
- Momentum20
i guess it all comes down to we are the people looking from the outside...
so much history, so much tension, so much culture... its easy for us to say hey do this do that stop this stop that... i'm pretty sure they the middle east is saying thanks for your opinion but this isn't about you!
America loves to be the big brother and try to bring in the western culture "everyone" hates but then those same people ask for help...
there is never going to be a clear cut answer from outsiders...
not sure what the answer is but i guess its just going to be more war like the old school days
- Mimio0
I totally hear you Ex, I'm just saying that the really right-wing Israelis seem like they're never going to go for that since Hamas took authority. They still see them as the force that killed the Olso Accords, and unprovokedly murders civilians. How could they sit down to negotiate with them?
- TheBlueOne0
Well, it's a demographics problem as well - you had a huge population explosion in the middle east, and no viable society to provide them with outlets for power and financial stability in those cultures - so they do what large groups of young men have always done in history - become radicalized and turn to violence. The West did the same thing, except we did it with millions dying on the battle fields of France in WWI
- Republican0
*Peeks into thread to see if any hypocrits found a solution.*
*As expected. Still no solution. Just blaming and hatred.*
*Ducks out and waits again*
- chossy0
bastard gorillas, you hairy gun toting fuckers, I rue the day I ever put a nappy on you and made you ride a bike for my adverts little did I know you would take this knowledge and form a massive simian army hell bent on the destruction of mankind and the enslavement of all our womenfolk to work until death in your sweet sweet sugar dens damn youse damn youse all to hell.
*shaves off all body hair as sign of defiance and sepratism. Does the opposable thumbs gang sign, and walks upright with chest out bearing my confidence.
- kyl30
lemonade was a popular drink and it still is...
- TheBlueOne0
lemonade was a popular drink and it still is...
kyl3
(Jul 28 06, 06:25)
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except among the lemons...
- mrdobolina0
What a fucking tool that republican is. He has no viable solution so he blames others for not having one as well. I thought you guys were the party of accountability?
- Republican0
What a fucking tool that republican is. He has no viable solution so he blames others for not having one as well. I thought you guys were the party of accountability?
mrdobolina
(Jul 28 06, 06:42)I have seen you dodge better but that was just bad. Try again. Solution?
Just as expected.
Let me know when you want to stop your bitching and have some kind of solution and until then you should think twice about pointing fingers at other solutions. You're lame at best.
- TheBlueOne0
Because "real americans" are from Wisconson.