Evolution Schmevolution
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- Nairn0
I'm gong to regret asking, but can you point me in the direction of proofs for the following "fulfilled prophecy in the biblical record, the unique and uncanny reliability of the manuscript evidence".
Preferably, actual proof - not the quasi-logical inferences of the sincerely devout.
- Scottizzle0
Yall gotta be kidding me! Stewart was fucking classic! Unless you are boring, or belive in fairy tales, you HAD to love it!
- discipler0
First Kuz, in the interest of time, I would point you to a number of scholarly sources to answer your questions about the uniqueness of Christ and the Bible:
http://www.myfortress.org/manusc…
http://www.equip.org/free/CP0211…
http://www.myfortress.org/simong…As for your point about the "junk science" of religions. This is in contrast to the Bible's accurate science. Claims of bad science claims by the early church amount to urban legends. The claims were never made. Of course there was ignorance of scientific truth in all religions however.
- Nairn0
btw, re: your statement:
"Mindless, random chance does not, and never has, produced information."
Does this mean that you have a fuller appreciation of what we currently call Quantum mechanics than anyone else on our planet? Of Sub-space, extra dimensions, uncertainty princinples, string theory and ..well, *anything like* an appreciation of what the distinction between matter and energy actually is and where it comes from?
y'See, I'm an arrogant fucker - but I would never have that level of hubris to say something so distinctly.
- discipler0
Stewart also paints Darwinism as absurd in that piece, scottizzle. ;) He seemed to be spoofing both sides. Don't get your truth from John Stewart, he's the first to admit it's a comedy show. And don't forget that he is not displaying a spoof of I.D. he uses pagan creation myths as his device in that piece.
- Nairn0
ahct, what am i doing? I hate getting involved in these threads - I'll check out those links discipler, but I'm too much of anti-religious fundamentalist to continue here.
Good luck with the whole God thing.
- discipler0
Nairn, quantam mechanics and the entire sub atomic world only yield more complexity. Complexity which cannot be explained by mindless, naturalistic underpinnings. Is it not logical to conclude that the more we widdle down the core material the more it supports "design economy" of a core fundamental material that the designer used? Only when we impose unwarranted and flawed assumptions about how the designer should work, do we encounter a theodicy here.
And nairn, on fulfilled prophecy:
http://www.clarifyingchristianit…
http://www.rbc.org/ds/q0402/poin…
http://www.equip.org/free/DA151.…
- Kuz0
discpler you missed my point (Again).
i'm not debunking early christian science (and look at you trying to explaint that away! haha!)
i was sying, these muslims also thought their book was scientific and prophetic because it stated the earth goes around the sun before it was accepted.
if your amazingly accurate prophetic incredible super duper brilliant example are like these. well then... stuff.. ur an idiot!
- discipler0
nairn, your first step is removing false caricatures perpetuated by political and philosophical gurus who have invented terms like "right wing fundamentalists" and the like (and I'm not saying that wackos don't exist out there). The reality is however, there are brilliant, loving, compassionate people who make up the body of Christian believers and who just want to love others and share the good news of Jesus has done in their lives. :)
- Kuz0
oh brother.
wooly interpretations of "prophecy" by christian fundamentalists.
*points and laughs at the crazy zealot.
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- unfittoprint0
"The Messiah will enter Jerusalem riding a donkey
Zechariah 9:9"
EVERYONE "drove" a goddamn donkey back then.
jesus.
- discipler0
hehe, i assure it's not the same reasoning, kuz. :) But yes, I'm an idiot. Oh wait, no! no I'm not, ok.
I must run and get some work done.
Ta Ta for now.
- Kuz0
/back, no i actually read a couple of points in those links. You have to be pretty damn devout to be even convinced by those vague and ambigous prophecies.
just like people who believe in astrology, and nostradamus (see unfit)
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- mrdobolina0
religion is ignorant.
- unfittoprint0
just like people who believe in astrology, and nostradamus (see unfit)
err I do?
- mrdobolina0
you have been brainwashed, discipler.
now call me a secular humanist and pigeonhole me. as though I am sitting around reading the writings of darwin.
- discipler0
kuz, you would have to be looking at them with a tremendous bias against the end result of what they clearly allude to (big shocker there ;)). Several of the prophecies are rediculously uncanny and the odds of them happening by chance are impossible. An honest study of them will inevitably bring one to this conclusion.
Again, you can't make somebody embrace something they've already decided they never will embrace (for whatever philosophical reasons).
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- mrdobolina0
You need the "hand of god" in your life to explain things that you can't control.
It is the highest form of insecurity and use of a 'crutch'.
- Kuz0
err I do?
unfittoprint
(Sep 14 05, 08:17)hehe, i meant as in what you said about the donkey. vague and ambigious stuff, u know. Now if it had predicted the rise of communism and the collapse of the berlin wall. THAT would be impressive. Kinda. but like in propa language, not crazy bible speak such as:
and there shall be a great divide in that place between those who believe in redistribution of wealth amongst the proletariat
eugh, i'm bored.
- unfittoprint0
eugh, i'm bored.
Kuz
(Sep 14 05, 08:20)actually
I prophecized that.