Evolution Schmevolution
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- unfittoprint0
question:
between Adam & Eve
and us,
somewhere down the line
some motherfucking must have happened. literally.
right?
- mrdobolina0
discipler:
you talk about how jesus has changed so many millions of peoples lives. Could that not be said about hundreds of other 'gods' and religions.
I mean the Greek Gods changed millions of lives.
We don't have to respect your superstitions.
- paraselene0
yeah, or what bk_shankz said. i'm really fond of that idea.
- Nairn0
There's no point in arguing with the Religious - they believe their way, and that is their all.
To point to a Creator as the root cause is to undo the sublime majesty and mystery of the entire universe and our little planet in it. They're welcome to their timid vision.
Personally, I rather like not knowing, having a more fluid and, dare I say it, creative outlook on the many possible reasons for our being.
Not to rely on some boring bearded fucker who didn't even have the nous to make 'intelligent' beings outwith His Own Image.
- discipler0
kuz - The problem with your argument is that you hold the presupposition that the stories in the Bible developed the same way that superstitions develop. This is false. And this is exactly what the science of textual criticism demonstrates. Thru careful study of manuscript origins, oral tradition, secular historical record, and archaeology, and an understanding of the types of literature used in the specific books of the bible, one is able to deduce what is allegorical and what is factual narrative. Obviously, it comes down to an issue of faith... but it is a faith based in a bevy of evidence. One must determine if he/she is going to let prejudice against the supernatural impact the decision to embrace or reject it. Another problem to factor in is the consistent caricature of these accounts and stories, through childrens' illustrations and the like. These innacurate depictions do not negate the truth of the occurances.
In a nutshell, I'm simply saying that there is convincing evidence in support of the Biblical account. That's all. Ridicule it as you see fit.
- bk_shankz0
I think intelligent design is a valid philosophical theory as long as there is no Christian bias in its presentation.
- paraselene0
Ridicule it as you see fit.
discipler
(Sep 14 05, 07:35)okay!
*points and laughs at bible
**throws ripe tomatonow isn't this more fun, kids?
- discipler0
To point to a creator as the root cause, is a logical inference from science. Biological systems broken down to it's core constituents, yields information. Pure and simple, information (as coded in DNA). Mindless, random chance does not, and never has, produced information. Let alone the library volumes worth of information in a single strand of DNA.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... maybe it's a duck.
- mrdobolina0
I enjoy how you christies love to play the victim all the time.
- discipler0
hehe, fun AND productive, paraselene. ;)
shankz - Intelligent Design is simply the detection of purposed design in biological systems. It is neither a philosophical argument, nor a religious one.
mrdobs - it is not true that world religions have countless proponents who tout changed hearts and lives thru a relationship. What you do have is people earnestly trying to perform appease angry gods and somehow gain their approval thru ritualism.
- discipler0
i enjoy how you atheists love to use derogatory expressions about those you disagree with all the time. ;)
- mrdobolina0
"mrdobs - it is not true that world religions have countless proponents who tout changed hearts and lives thru a relationship. What you do have is people earnestly trying to perform appease angry gods and somehow gain their approval thru ritualism.
discipler
(Sep 14 05, 07:41)---
Are you saying that there aren't 'god-fearing' christians?
My point is, if you dont believe, you won't be let into the heavenly after-life. Is that not a scare tactic?
- Nairn0
I will always concede the validity of the Ultimately Unknowable Root Cause possibly being 'a Creator'.
This being the case, Discipler -
you must accept the 'Statistical Fact' that
the God you believe in is so utterly different to what you believe you envisage as to make your stance not only ironic but laughable.God = a Maybe (but I hope not)
Religion, and the majority of belief = a morass of mythology to help the mindless through the day.
- Kuz0
so discipler, to reiterate yet again,
"Christianity is faith not superstition, because sections of the bible are historically accurate"
but go on, have the last word by saying unrelated things ;)
- Mal0
Why do you come here Discipler?
You only ever preach and never participate in any other way surely your time would be better served conversing with like minded people. because you are wasting your time here.
- Nairn0
"i enjoy how you atheists love to use derogatory expressions about those you disagree with all the time. ;)
discipler "Ah, 'the Christian' - the World's most sanctimonious creature.
- Kuz0
discipler i know countless, fucking COUNTLESS of crazy kids who spent their lives on drugs and alcohol then found Islam and felt redeemed.
- discipler0
Nairn (and kuz)-
The point I would make is that, when one combines: scientific discovery with the unique claims of Christ, the fulfilled prophecy in the biblical record, the unique and uncanny reliability of the manuscript evidence... it is not illogical or without merit to suggest that the designer (causal factor) looks suspiciously like the God of the Bible.
And nairn, I would agree that world religions are little more than mythology or a crutch for the masses. My argument is that the Bible (and subsequent claims of Christ) stand in an altogether different category.
- discipler0
agreed, kuz. My point was that changed life (as ambiguous a term as that is) BY ITSELF does not build a cogent case for the Christian faith. It's the collective evidence and the unique claims of Christ PLUS the "heart transformation", that build the case.
Mal - I come here because believe it or not, I'm a designer. Albeit not a very good one. I constantly peruse the design related threads. It's only these types of topics (which i don't start) that compell me to post. :) Sorry if that offends you.
- Kuz0
The point I would make is that, when one combines: scientific discovery with the unique claims of Christ, the fulfilled prophecy in the biblical record, the unique and uncanny reliability of the manuscript evidence... it is not illogical or without merit to suggest that the designer (causal factor) looks suspiciously like the God of the Bible.
================what unique claims prophesised and scientifically proven? is that like when beardy muslims used to say to me "the koran said the earth goes around the sun 500 years before copernicus! see? scientif validation"
this'll be fun....