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- ilovepill0
100!
:)
- discipler0
primordial energy requires a causal factor. :)
- skt0
I have faith.....
...adams in my wardrobe. Ok so its not really her. Just a sort of shrine / collection.
- Kuz0
to sum up what disicpler said.
faith isn't supersition, because the bible is really really old.
- paraselene0
primordial energy requires a causal factor. :)
discipler
(Sep 14 05, 06:41)how do you know that?
- paraselene0
sod my ignorance!
i had to google faith adams.
- unfittoprint0
difference between creationsim & ID?
startreck / startreck filmed with hand-held cameras
bullshit with an edge.
- discipler0
how does a mindless "primordial energy" create itself and maintain it's existance? How do you answer that without arriving at an infinite regression of causes? (which end in an infinite regression of effects).
kuz - nice try at dumbing down a multifaceted and cogent case for the existance of a creator. ;)
- discipler0
brilliant, unfitt. Now, please... give me some details as to how you arrived at such a scientific conclusion.
- Kuz0
kuz - nice try at dumbing down a multifaceted and cogent case for the existance of a creator. ;)
discipler
(Sep 14 05, 06:55)multifaceted?? hardly. you're argument for your faith in christianity, jesus, adam and eve, noah, abraham, samson and all that superstitious nonsence is based on what you see as the "historical evidence" in the bible. eg, the name Abraham (or something remotely similar to it) incribed somewhere in Ur. I could just as well be a Hindu since the Mahrabarta (which predates the stories of the bible) tells the epic struggle of the Aryan tribes from the north displacing the Dravidians of the subcontinent - which is also historically accurate as the heroes within that story existed and did mad cool shit. Simply, your supersitions are many and interlocking. That is all.
Your argument that faith is based on "changing countless lives" is self negating, since you have to have faith to believe that your god is responsible for that, rather than just silly people made all happy with silly things.
- Kuz0
brilliant, unfitt. Now, please... give me some details as to how you arrived at such a scientific conclusion.
discipler
(Sep 14 05, 06:55)it's a metaphor u dumbass.
- unfittoprint0
how about
my faith is better than yours [?].
- discipler0
kuz, wrong as usual.
What you have in the pale of evidence in support of biblical Christianity is far from matched by any world religion. You cite one obscure archaeological reference and ignore the overwhelming manuscript evidence in the likes of Codex Vaticanus and Codex Siniaticus, for starters. ONLY the manuscript evidence in support of the Bible stands up under the science of textual criticism (which might explain why the scores of brilliant phD's who accept it as the inspired and infallible word of God). The writings of world religions, do not. Fact. You would do well to take some time and study that actual facts on this issue and how the manuscript evidence stands in stark contrast from other writings.
"Silly people made all happy with silly things" is hardly a conclusive or satisfactory explanation for the millions of people who claim radical life change due to Christ as well as a daily walk with the person of Christ. It also fails to account for how 12 frightened and scattered disciples, suddenly were willing to give their lives for a faith which would ultimately turn the world upside down and split history.
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- discipler0
inevitably, kuz reverts to the ways of an insulting simpleton spewing emotional vitriol.
- arinya0
Who let the Space Monkeys out!?????!?!? Someone get me a banana quick!
*rolls up sleeves*
- paraselene0
how does a mindless "primordial energy" create itself and maintain it's existance? How do you answer that without arriving at an infinite regression of causes? (which end in an infinite regression of effects).
discipler
(Sep 14 05, 06:55)you don't. and that's okay with me. i guess i'm resigned to the fact that part of my humanity is the inability to know some things.
there are more things in heaven and earth, horatio...
- discipler0
paraselene, I think your notion of a mindless wave of energy as the source of all things, is simply a demonstration of the desperate lengths people will go to, to avoid the clear inference (and accountability) of a cognizant designer. IMO.
- paraselene0
it's not a notion that i cultivate or even really have. i just brought it up to illustrate the similarity between faith and superstition.
as for a cognizant designer, damn straight i'm avoiding that idea. mostly because it doesn't appeal to me on an aesthetic level.
and you can't but say fair do's to that. it's a personal decision.
- Kuz0
“Fact. You would do well to take some time and study that actual facts on this issue and how the manuscript evidence stands in stark contrast from other writings.”.
You miss the point entirely, as usual, and invent a separate argument just to make ur self feel better. My point about the Abraham example was yes, the bible might have had the hand of real people in a real space of time but many superstitions are based on the similar premises (no matter how relatively more or less actual history is in the bible). The point is, it is still ultimately a question of faith/superstition whether you believe in them. neither science nor archaeology nor history can “prove” that god created adam and eve, and then adam and eve had a son and daugheter, and they fucked, and then their children fucked, and then their childrens children fucked, until the world was populated. These, and samsons magic hair, are all questions of FAITH. Which then leads to the superstition of, there’s all these angels floating around, and when you die your spirit floats away, and there’s this little devil creature stirring shit up.
So to reiterate you believe “Christianity is not superstition cos the bible is really really old.”
Eugh!!!!!
- bk_shankz0
The same way a virus or dna strand or complex protein maintains its existence. Pure chemistry which breaks down into the laws of physics. There are four forces governing everything whether it be biological or physical. At the microsopic level we reduce to the same thing.