Evolution Schmevolution
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- pavlovs_dog0
discipler is a textbook case of latent homosexuality. ...i'm not judging, but he is.
- fate_0
Discipler, it's just silly, man. It's the "God in the gaps" application to things we don't fully understand.
But eventually, we'll run out of gaps for God to fill. Just a matter of time.
- mikotondria20
ah no...discpler's cool, hes always a perfect gent and I enjoy his posts and discussions..
*is he looking at me ?? is he?
- fate_0
Randoman has taught me that there are far, far worse people to get worked up over than just people I disagree with.
- discipler0
hehe, mikotondria (waves back), there are bigger issues than imposing our flawed (but puffed up) notions of what "good design" is upon a limitless entity and attempting to point out apparent dysteleology in biological systems when the bigger picture always yields a more holistic purpose for the alleged "flaws". Bigger questions like: How does and irreducibly complex machine self organize when the only examples in every facet of life of such machines, require a designer? Not to mention the fact that natural selection would prevent said machines from every happening. Or, how did nothing apply nothing and form something from nothingness? And how did said "nothing" fine tune our planet and the relevant physical laws withing an impossible tolerance to support organic life? And where are the cogs and dats (those darn transitions between species)?
Questions like these... for starters.
- vespa0
I read a sign in a church in America. It said:
"God created woman, the devil created feminism"
Kuz
(Sep 14 05, 06:04)brilliant! wouldnt' it be great to be a professional GodSign™ writer?
what would you write kuz?
- discipler0
It's the evolution-of-the-gaps that gets me. The suggestion that proteins somehow self organized magically (given enough time of course) and then formed amino acids and ultimately cells (which are irreducibly complex so they need all components at the same time, or they just don't work) and then the fish became reptiles and then apes and the Rip Taylor and then... ah, I digress.
Have faith! Science is going to come up with a solution!
Nevermind that science is only going to yield more complexity in biological systems. ;)
- skt0
There is a good one in Clapham.
Lets all meet up round my place, Sunday after lunch. - God.
- discipler0
well, my explanation would be...
faith is expressing trust in something without being able to touch or see it.
The Bible puts it this way:
"faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."
- Hebrews 11:1
Superstition is a fearful or abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality.
- mrdobolina0
I see no difference.
- paraselene0
faith is expressing trust in something without being able to touch or see it.
Superstition is a fearful or abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality.
discipler
(Sep 14 05, 06:19)ergo: superstition is a result of faith
- Kuz0
ummm, now let me think,
There's something about the Virgin Mary!
- Kuz0
Today's Topic: He Knows What You Did Last Summer
- discipler0
expounding on increased complexity... the trend over the last 30 years of science has been discoveries which point in a theistic direction (this is why I.D. has grown to the degree that it has and why it will continue to grow). So, the evolution-of-the-gaps notion that says, "give us, time we'll make sense of it from a naturalistic standpoint." has no bearing in ther real world becuase the progressive flow of discovery yields more computer like complexity at the biochemical level as well as the astro-physical level.
I vote for the best POSSIBLE hypothesis. Not the best naturalistic hypothesis.
- Kuz0
"God welcomes his victims"
- Typographica0
Crowell - It's the Daily Show. onegoodmove.org posts snippets every day,
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmar…
but I'm still looking for a stable torrent tracker for each episode.
- Kuz0
ergo: superstition is a result of faith
paraselene
(Sep 14 05, 06:19)haha, she says little, but when she duz, it's always incisive!
- discipler0
superstition is the result of ignorance. and it's definition is highly subjective.
in the case of biblical faith, it's confident trust based on empirical evidence. "Faith based in facts" as some say.
The two really don't share any common ground when properly understood and viewed without the western lense of prejudice against the supernatural.
- discipler0
For now, I'm going to try and give a naturalistic account of how the pyramids were erected by thousands of meteors falling on top of one other over billions of years.
- discipler0
and everyone expresses faith. paraselene expresses faith when she posits that there is nothing beyond the natural realm. After all, she can't prove this. She's excercising faith.
Personally, I don't have quite enough faith to hold that view. Too much purposed design working against it.