National ID Cards
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- normal0
It's said that if you put a frog into boiling water it will sense the danger immediately and leap out.
However, if you put a frog into tepid water and slowly raise the heat it will never notice but it will die.
Having lived in the UK for 4 years and as a former US resident I can say that it's a treat to be able to go out with nothing but cash and not feel like a criminal for not carrying ID. I don't need one to buy booze, I don't have to produce one to use the transport system, I don't even have to produce one when I'm stopped by the police for not having a train ticket.
Those that want to commit fraud will find ways to commit fraud, those that want to commit crimes will commit crimes. Same goes for terrorism, restrictions such as the Real ID seem to only effect those that are honest. It goes further to promote a culture fear and distrust of your fellow citizens. You are no one without your ID and you will be arrested or at least treated with suspicion until your ID is verified. Which means that basically the same freedom that I have here in the UK to travel anonymously without evidence besides my own words is slipping towards non-existence in the US and everyone seems to be happy about that. But I have a different experience than most, having had the ability to live in what I consider to be a much freer country in some respects and the contrast especially in regards to topics such as this and how the UK and American populations react is startling.
The water will continue to get warmer.
- stem0
I love the US immigration papers you have to fiil in on the plane.
From what I remember, I'm sure there was a question like:
Have you ever been involved in terrorism:
YES/NO?
errrm, how do answer that?
- emecks0
Have you ever been involved in terrorism:
YES/NO?
errrm, how do answer that?
stem
(May 11 05, 04:15)"maybes aye, maybes no"
- determinedmoth0
Have you ever been involved in terrorism:
YES/NO?
errrm, how do answer that?
stem
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That's the fucking point. What is the point? After 9/11 we had to lable boxes of Annual Reports with exactly what was in them before posting them.Err.
"BOMB"
Oh. Maybe I could put "Annual Reports" and get away with blowing people up.
SNEEKY.
- skt0
Have you ever been involved in terrorism:
YES/NO?
errrm, how do answer that?
stem
(May 11 05, 04:15)A big boy did it and ran away.
- skt0
It's said that if you put a frog into boiling water it will sense the danger immediately and leap out.
However, if you put a frog into tepid water and slowly raise the heat it will never notice but it will die.
normal
(May 11 05, 03:47)Ha! I just answered a post in this thread with the title of a book by christpopher brookmyre and then went back through the the thread and found this. Boiling a Frog is another of his books and is a reference exactly this in terms of political climate.
- skt0
Reference >to< exactly this.
- emecks0
brookmyre is teh mutt's nuts!!
- honest0
We've had ID cards in HK for years, we get the same kind of trouble from immigrants who snuck in from all over Asia and counterfeiting problems all over the shop. So what can you do?
- paraselene0
so this is what y'all are doin' instead of hijacking t'other thread like y'were spos' to.
rnh.
*cracks whip
- jamble0
Wake up, we are not living under a tyranny that seeks to enslave, track and terrorize it's own citizens.
randoman
(May 10 05, 13:54)So you don't live in the US then?
National ID cards in the US and here in the UK are a joke of an idea based on the premise that they will solve the terrorism "problem".
How is it when every other item of identification can be forged, ID cards will provide anything other than a new medium to copy?
How, when terrorists are quite capable of operating within a country years prior to an attack would an ID card stop them when they have legitimate ID in other forms?
In the UK, I must say I don't object to ID cards per se, I object to all my information being held by a single, almost certainly incompetent, government agency and also the fact that we are expected to actually pay for poxy things!
- emecks0
so this is what y'all are doin' instead of hijacking t'other thread like y'were spos' to.
rnh.
*cracks whip
paraselene
(May 11 05, 04:44)*gets distracted from the hiJacken in blind awe of para and her 20 foot electrified bull whip.
- stem0
Which thread?
- skt0
brookmyre is teh mutt's nuts!!
emecks
(May 11 05, 04:42)Its all fun and games til someone looses an eye. Had a look at that yet mx?
- caulfield0
Rupert Murdoch openly supports Tony Blair - he voiced his support for him before the election.
That's enough to make me vote tory, and I live in australia.
Go read Noam Chomsky. Stop being fooled by telly.
- stem0
“A world of unseen dictatorship is conceivable, still using the forms of democratic government.”
This is a good read:
Written in the 50's but still, VERY RELEVANT.
- Kuz0
i never thought
"go read chomsky"
and
"i voted tory" would be uttered under the same breath by the same person
- toastie0
read the slashdot discussion from the link in PBS
- chossy0
I don't care as long as they accept a picture of anthony michael hall as my face.
- Kuz0
this is all about capitalism and population tracking.
socieites of control