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- utopian-3
- watContinuity
- So nice of this Palestine pizza shop to honour one of the accidentally passed-away Israelis this wayGnash
- yuekit0
Israel's president says there are no innocent civilians.
“It is not true this rhetoric about civilians were not aware, were not involved, it’s absolutely not true. They could have risen up against that evil regime that took over Gaza in a coup d’etat.”
- Continuity8
(opinion piece from the Washington Post, run through ClearThis to bypass the paywall)
'We cannot stand by and watch Israel commit atrocities'
https://clearthis.page/?u=https:…
Hey-ho, here are some choice quotes worth paying attention to, for the binary-brained among you I know won't bother reading it:
'Language is being hijacked. People using the terms “decolonization” and “liberation” in describing Palestinians’ struggle for human rights have had their remarks taken out of context and have been accused of championing Hamas’s brand of terrorism. This not only silences debate on the illegal, morally unjust occupation of Palestinian territory, but also implies a subconscious, irrational fear of oppressed minorities anywhere rising up and exacting violent revenge.'
and
'Journalists who cast themselves as arbiters of truth have amplified unverified claims, including one that 40 babies had been decapitated by Hamas militants. (As of Friday morning, there was no photographic evidence nor government confirmation to support the claim.)'
[Gosh, really? Who'd have thought that gem was an outright porky ...]
also
'[...] the United States cannot stand by and allow Israel to carry out the collective punishment it has declared it will exact. It cannot stand by as Israeli officials engage in genocidal language and describe genocidal intent against Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.'
- No critique of Hamas last Saturday for what they did by you. No critique of Hamas that they're putting their people into this situation knowing the outcomeNBQ00
- What did they/ you think Israel would do? Just stand back? It's unfortunate what is happening now but not unexpected. And you can blame Hamas for it.NBQ00
- But of course you won't, because you have your SJW pro-palestine goggles on. It's all Israels fault. Always.NBQ00
- Are you talking again, idiot? You should know better.Continuity
- There's no real discussion because all you do is just insults, not dialogue. Because you have no real arguments for what I just wrote?NBQ00
- would doubt the intelligence agency give out a photo of the babies if its exists.... imagine the rage that would stir up...neverscared
- There's no real discussion because:
a) you're too stupid to have one, and;
b) what you write is regurgitated shit from YouTube videos, and;
c) I don't like you.Continuity - @neverscared That rage is precisely why intelligence agencies would give it out. It would absolutely guarantee almost universal western support for theirContinuity
- ... upcoming flattening of Gaza. But, since it's nowhere out there that anyone's actually seen in the public, we're told to trust their word (propaganda).Continuity
- You seem very much intolerant, baldie. Like those muslims living in Berlin who hate Jews and get all the benefits of EU welfare while spewing hate.NBQ00
- flol that again? Straight out of the pages of the Daily Mail. It amazes me every single time when you demonstrate just how stupid you actually are to the world.Continuity
- israel has alraedy full western support....staatsräs... to protect israel habeck said...they murdered young kids.. that so close to babies ...neverscared
- staatsräson....neverscared
- or do i miss one western country which is not condemning the hamas attack ?neverscared
- https://www.youtube.…neverscared
- @neverscared by "Western support", I mean support for the upcoming genocide, which some Western country are paying (weak) lip service to.Continuity
- they have to negotiate the hostages out first...its war .. or they try to break them out ..neverscared
- lol okContinuity
- and thats where the western countries have skin in the game too..neverscared
- its not funny...neverscared
- Well, it is a bit funny that you think IL will hold off on its eradication of Gaza until they've busted out the hostages.Continuity
- But, OK. You do you, boo-boo.Continuity
- i don´t want u to hold off anything.. not only bust out hostages.. but take out hamas high circles down to the simple foot terrorists...neverscared
- i guess thats what staatsräson means...neverscared
- harming civilians is a crime everywhere !neverscared
- Of course it’s a crime everywhere. Won’t stop IL, though. Watch.Continuity
- Hey! You can't fight in here! This is the war thread!Khurram
- ha!_niko
- NBQ00-5
A week ago, Hamas terrorists murdered more than 1200 civilians in Israel in a bestial manner. Babies, children and old people were abducted - and are now being abused as human shields.
In spite of all this, more and more Hamas-celebrities are taking their Jew-hatred to the streets all over Europe, relativising the atrocities and - even more - using lies to reverse the perpetrator/victim.
Claim: "Gaza is occupied by Israel!"
FALSE! Not a single Israeli has lived in the Gaza Strip since 2005. The Israeli government evacuated all Israeli localities in Gaza and left it completely to the Palestinians. Instead of investing in the economy and education, the terrorist group Hamas came to power - and is putting all the money into terror. Again and again, Israel is attacked with rockets from the Gaza Strip.
Claim: "Gaza is completely sealed off by Israel!"
NONSENSE! Israel cannot completely seal off the Gaza Strip. Gaza borders not only Israel, but also Egypt. But although Egypt likes to publicly show solidarity with the Palestinians, the Egyptian government is afraid to let Palestinians into the country. The fear of terrorists and radical Islamists is too great.
Claim: "Gaza is dying of thirst because Israel turned off the water!"
NO! Only a small part of Gaza's water is supplied by Israel. According to Israeli data, only 10 per cent of the water supply in Gaza is based on deliveries from Israel. In addition, Hamas uses the water, like all resources, for its terror. In a video, the group brags about tearing water pipes out of the ground to make rockets out of them.
Claim: "The Israeli blockade is a crime!"
FACT: Despite years of rocket attacks, Israel sent tons of food, medicine, etc. to Gaza. Civilians were given the opportunity to work inside Israel. Only after the barbaric terror attack on Saturday with more than 1200 murdered and more than 100 abducted did Israel stop the supply. Gaza's Arab neighbour Egypt, for example, could now ensure the supply.
Claim: "The Israelis have shelters, the Palestinians don't."
FALSE! Some Palestinians in Gaza have bunkers: the Hamas leadership. They prefer to hole up under schools and hospitals to protect themselves from Israeli retaliatory attacks. Hamas does not build shelters for civilians and uses families as shields to keep Israel from attacking. And: If Hamas would stop terror, no civilian in Gaza would need a shelter.
Claim: "Israel deliberately bombs civilians!"
NO! Before Israel bombs an apartment building where Hamas terrorists are holed up, residents are called, receive warning text messages in Arabic. The army has already told Gaza residents which areas will be particularly contested and should be left immediately. The terrorists forbid many people to leave their neighbourhoods or houses despite attack warnings. The Hamas calculation: it uses the images of civilian casualties to increase the pressure on Israel to stop its military operations.
Claim: "Gaza lives in abject poverty because of Israel."
FALSE! The EU alone sends around 691 million euros a year to the Palestinian territories. BUT: The money does not reach most of the inhabitants, instead it flows to corrupt officials of the administration and international organisations. In Gaza, for example, there are large villas and hotels with pool facilities, while civilians live right next door below the poverty line. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, allowing the Palestinians to take care of their economy independently and freely - instead, all the funds flowed into terror.
Claim: "No EU money flows to Hamas".
NOT CORRECT! Although this is repeatedly claimed - among others by EU Commission Vice-President Josep Borrell (76) - it is clear: in the Gaza Strip, the Hamas terrorists call the shots - and thus also have the power over the money.
Hamas members, for example, work in high positions for the Palestinian Refugee Agency UNRWA, which is financed by EU funds, among other things. Again and again, UNRWA facilities (e.g. schools) are used as hiding places for terrorist rockets. In addition, EU funds flow to Hamas via front organisations.Claim: "Hamas has fewer weapons than Israel. It is an unequal fight!"
FACT: The Israeli military is much better equipped than Hamas - fortunately! Because: Hamas' goal is to kill as many Israelis as possible. The terror beasts do not stop at small children and defenceless old people, murdering and kidnapping them. And they have been doing so for years. Israel, on the other hand, defends itself against the terrorists, attacks their positions in Gaza to ensure its own survival.
If Hamas laid down its arms, there would be peace. If Israel were to lay down its arms, the Jewish state would no longer exist.
- palimpsest8
Also found on the interwebsz:
you can be anti-Hamas and pro-Palestinian
you can be anti-MAGA and not be anti-American
you can be anti-Likud and not be anti-Jewish
you can be anti-ISIS and not be anti-Muslim
- no doubt, but there's too much SJW pro-palestine goggle wearing anti-Israel sentiment here ignoring the facts.NBQ00
- what about the other facts?uan
- The alternative ones.palimpsest
- yes, those too...but we could focus on the important ones first.uan
- But that's the problem we can now choose the "facts" to justify our argument.palimpsest
- Still, I too want hear about the other facts.palimpsest
- Wait, you don’t know The Facts? It’s easy to tell they are the real ones because They Are Capitalised ™maikel
- oh no, he actually said SJW ahhahhahahhaha. as if you weren't already a fucking joke.face_melter
- NBQ00-8
This is happening all over EU cities now, London, Paris, Berlin...
"Gas the Jews"
They should all be deported to the middle east.
- dude, we opened up the borders for them, because of the imperialists deported them from their lands.uan
- a USAmerican posting a clip from Australian TV about what they think it's happening in Europe.uan
- It's time to send them back so they stop molesting and raping women in Europe and in public pools of Berlin: https://eu.usatoday.…NBQ00
- https://t.ly/XQuXCNBQ00
- and attack Israel? so you are antisemitic.uan
- “It's time to send them back so they stop molesting and raping women”
I like this coming from a sex pest.Continuity - Go cheer on these goat fuckersNBQ00
- Khurram0
- Meanwhile, Russia's about to take Adiivka, and by next summer they'll be in Odessa.Khurram
- Just total amnesia. Like it's not even happening. Don't even care anymore...Khurram
- All year they were pumping stories about Chinese threats in Taiwan. Totally forgotten. Not even mentioned anymore. No longer of interest to the US war machineKhurram
- Hmmm, you forgot about the ongoing genocide of Kurds and ArmeniansGnash
- I was just illustrating US global aggression in its attempts to defeat strategic rivals Russia, China. And now they're circling in on Iran.Khurram
- Wait.. what genocide of Kurds??Khurram
- Also - western media is the communications arm of the Euro-American foreign policy apparatus. They manipulate you!Khurram
- I'm confused, does the USA control the entire world or is it collapsing?yuekit
- It's being "challenged". I'm hoping it will collapse.Khurram
- Re Kurds ... its the dog running turkeyGnash
- NBQ00-4
1937: Arabs reject the Peel Commission to create a Jewish and Arab state.
1947: Arabs reject the UN partition plan to create a Jewish and Arab state. Wage war against the new nation of Israel. Lose more land than the partition gave them.
1967: Israel wins yet another war against its Arab neighbors, conquering Gaza, the West Bank and Sinai in a defensive war. The Arab League declares the "three no's": No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. Israel voluntarily hands control of the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism back to the Islamic Waqf, and made it illegal for Jews to pray there.
1979: Israel voluntarily hands the Sinai back to Egypt, returning land conquered in a defensive war.
1993: Israel recognizes the sovereignty of the Palestinian Authority over the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the Oslo Accords. Yasser Arafat uses it to support terrorism.
2000: Israel offers Yasser Arafat recognition of a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 94% of the West Bank with East Jerusalem as its Capital. Arafat rejects it and launches the Second Intifada.
2005: Israel pulls out of the Gaza Strip, dismantles all its settlements, and forces Jews to leave their homes. Palestinians respond by electing Hamas who turn it into a terror state.
2008: Israel offers Mahmoud Abbas once again recognition of a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 94% of the West Bank with East Jerusalem as its Capital and even offered to dismantle all their settlements. And once again, the Palestinians reject it.
2010-2021: Hamas launches periodic rocket attacks against the state of Israel and builds terror tunnels in order to kidnap and murder Jews while using the people of Gaza as human shields against the IDF.
2023: Hamas commits the worst act of mass murder against Jews since the Holocaust.
So fuck the Arabs and all those who immediately jumped on the pro-Palestine wagon while Hamas terrorists were still killing innocent civilians.
- OMG will you stop hogging this thread!Khurram
- Sorry for the facts you goat fuckerNBQ00
- ok nbq00, you don't want to tell us about your soul, nor the facts...maybe tell us about your goat that got hurt in your past.uan
- https://www.timesofi…yuekit
- ^ Story about the 2008 negotiations makes it sound very different than how you explained here.yuekit
- The question I have is why the Israeli government keeps attacking and provoking the Palestinians if they are serious about peace.yuekit
- https://www.aljazeer…yuekit
- https://www.bbc.com/…yuekit
- This year there were more than 100 incidents a month of extremist Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians.yuekit
- _niko-1
You have a magic wand, you have the power to recreate the Middle East however you see fit, what do you do?
1) Expel all Jews, send them back to Europe or to the US or wherever and give all of Israel back to the Palestinians. Anti-Zionists would love this including Jewish Anti-Zionist groups like Neturei Karta.
Does this finally bring peace? do the Arabs all now get along?2) Expel all Palestinians, Create single state of Israel as the scriptures promised, fundamentalist Jews and Christians have a wank-fest awaiting the promised Rapture or Messiah.
3) Create a single state, Call it Palestine-Israel or whatever and have equal representation and power sharing like what Lebanon does. People are free to visit temples and religious sites whenever they want to. Extremist groups on both sides are outlawed.
4) Create a single Secular state, Call it Philistia, religion is seen as a backwater and destructive relic of the past and is outlawed. Education and employment is guaranteed to all, Country is officially bi-lingual.
5) do nothing, keep going with how things are and hope for the best.
- NBQ00-8
Shameful what Europe has become again. Muslim Immigration policies have failed.
- right, because only muslims are doing this.doesnotexist
- all about the timing.NBQ00
- _niko4
Palestinians trying to move south hit by missiles, women and children killed
- There you go, neverscared. Told you.Continuity
- Are you talking about this?: https://x.com/Osintt…NBQ00
- Lol no idea ask the BBC. But when i posted it i was going to add or maybe it was a Hamas false flag who the fuck knows_niko
- please don't talk bad about Hamas, it may hurt Baldie's feelings.NBQ00
- @niko The Guardian and BBC Verify are both calling it an Israeli airstrike:
https://i.haasie.com…Continuity - Yeah impossible for Israel not to cause an absolute massacre when they go in there, with their BS evacuation warnings to people with no internet or electricity_niko
- https://twitter.com/…NBQ00
- your are a wise man who would have thought women and children as innocent people get killed....everybody knows there will be huge collateral damage getting yourneverscared
- fingers on nullyfing hamas command... precision strikes not so much.. it will be madness. i never said that will not happen because thats what is obvious toneverscared
- come...hamas know that too thats why they want them invading according to the intelligence reports.neverscared
- iran proxy war in drive !neverscared
- https://www.business… laying traps..neverscared
- this is israels 9/11 u can think at what lenghts they will go after being attacked by terrorists with perfidious brutallityneverscared
- Truck bomb. Hamas told everyone to stay put, they pissedGnash
- Fuck off Gnash you're spreading vicious lies. Convoys are getting bombed all over; many scenes of Israeli ariel bombardments happening in multiple locationsKhurram
- Hamas is putting up road blocks trying to keep them from running away. And That wabi explosion was not a missile.Gnash
- Hamas is celebrating every Palestinian death because it’s what they wanted to happen all alongGnash
- probably not celebrating but ya they're seem to be completely fine with death of innocent lifes.pango
- also IDF bombing civilian convoys is not out of characters for them.pango
- it is out of character for the idf, but totally in character for HamasGnash
- Gnash, Israel has killed scores of innocent people. This is definitely a two way street. Read before you speak.canoe
- ya.... IDF have killed 10s of thousand of Palestine civilians over the last 2 decades. pretty on character they bombing civilians.pango
- Not what i said, but okGnash
- _niko2
This is pretty horrific too, that footage of the Ravers hiding in the bunker and Hamas lobbing grenades in there is just barbaric no matter whose side you’re on.
- nb0
I couldn’t help but notice something.
A few weeks ago, my furthest-left friends were posting to social media about how laws forcing school boards to inform parents of transgender leanings in their kids is “anti-human rights”. The commonly re-shared post said that even “using the phrase ‘parental rights’ is anti-human rights”.
Couldn’t help but notice those same friends were VERY quick to post in defense of Palestine, within 24 hours of the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel. No one had the full picture or accurate information but these friends had already made up their mind. Who’s good and who’s evil and they immediately post their own “truths” to the world.
These are people I consider friends, or at least in the past they were, but their politics have gone so far left that they’ve completely lost a sense of perspective. I know these people, and if you call them out they will dig their heels in, they’ll call you a racist, they’ll say Israel is the terrorist, etc. These are people with have masters and even PhDs. But theyre no different than the keyboard warriors of the MAGA.
Mostly it makes me think, “can everyone just shut the fuck up?” We’re all entitled to our opinions but it would be nice if people would learn to listen and feel instead of reacting and weighing in on everything.
- That's pretty much what QBN is. You can check the first page of this thread and see who was immediately on to blame Israel for everything.NBQ00
- Qbn isn’t as bad. I didn’t see anyone here posting that nonsense about “parental rights” as “anti-human rights”nb
- Probably wrong thread sorrynb
- what's worse is seeing everyone blindly supporting israel without knowing shit about shit.doesnotexist
- I don’t know if that’s worse. Basically the samenb
- yeah, it's worse. getting bent out of shape over "parental rights, etc" is a first world problem. supporting israel because it's israel is not the same thing.doesnotexist
- Oh I misunderstood younb
- yuekit6
Some of the events that happened in the past year...
Record expansion of settlements that are illegal under international law, encouraged by the government
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/…
100 attacks a month by extremist Jewish vigilante groups against Palestinians, sometimes backed by the police
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-6…
Israel elects a government where Likud joins with far-right Jewish ethnonationalist parties like "Jewish Power", which are opposed to any Palestinian state ever happening.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/be…
Jewish settlers go into the Al-Aqsa Mosque (which is agreed by Israel to be for Muslims) and insist on praying there. Later there are a series of violent incidents between police and Palestinians.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2…
None of this justifies Hamas' atrocities but is the Israeli government, which has much more power in this situation, acting responsibly? It seems like they are doing their best to make things worse.
- Khurram1
- https://twitter.com/…Khurram
- Oh wow, has the Israeli government said they’re planning to kill all Palestinians?nb
- Well ethnically cleansing. Genocide might be a stretch. Maybe we should differentiate between the two terms?Khurram
- Can we accept that some sort of ethnic-based sanitation operation is at work?Khurram
- I mean, the post you shared suggests they are currently planning to kill 1 million Palestinians. Or what, move them? They’re not planning to do either.nb
- Just more made up lies to support escalation of the war. Don’t feel too bad, it is very common on war, especially this warnb
- Technically it's not my post. It's my post of a post.Khurram
- We seem to be fixated on technicalities lolKhurram
- ethnic cleansing is genocide.doesnotexist
- Khurram4
- These groups and whatever their Palestinian equivalent is are the only sane way forward. Unfortunately they represent a small minority with no power._niko
- I watch the news and listen to the speeches in Hebrew. No one is using genocidal language wtfJrdntnnr
- hope you’re safe, jrdGnash
- Yeah I hope you and the little doggie are safe. How is your little pooch? Did the banging scared him? I'm sooo sorry for what you're going through!Khurram
- Do you know the hebrew for human animals? https://twitter.com/…Khurram
- ‘Hamas’ is Hebrew for human animalGnash
- neverscared7
Angry old men set the Middle East ablaze. The young will pay the price
Old men start wars. Young men and women fight them. It’s a phenomenon that has broadly held true throughout history. Now, once again, in today’s violence-racked Middle East, the aggressive blundering of angry old men rains curses on the young, twisting minds, blighting lives, imperilling futures.
From Israel, Lebanon and Palestine to Egypt, Syria, Libya and back to Turkey, such men, in thrall to worn-out ideologies and prejudices, hold leadership positions by reason of longevity and guile, not wisdom or sense. They rule by fear and division, abuse the tenets of their faith and poison the minds of children. The young pay the price.
Take for instance Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas’s expensively suited 61-year-old chief. He ordered last weekend’s atrocious onslaught on southern Israel from the security of his Qatar office. Martyrdom, it seems, is not for him – unlike the psychopathically deluded, criminally misled young men he sent to murder, maim, rape and die in the Negev.
- Exactly. Stochastic Terror. We have a certain fucktard in this country who has been doing this ever since he came down his golden escalator.Ramanisky2
- Well said and spot on, fucking geezers are ruining the planet._niko
- We need Term/age limitsYakuZoku
- we need to stop participating in the game. voting against our interests (which seems like every vote), and paying for it.doesnotexist
- History repeating. Depressing. Well said.jagara
- Tweets & Prayersutopian
