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We just got a request by one of our chinese clients for us to source mouth covers...
+1 for the use of the word 'pestilence'.
- I'd love to see how Donald Trump would deal with such a crisis.
'just blow it up'!Ianbolton
- What do they have to live down? It's a disease, not an inflammatory statement caught on mic.i_monk
- Soon, in the USA, we'll have to "live down" a slew of outbreaks due to anti vaccination idiots, which does seem to be uniquely American.monospaced
- We'll soon all be extinct, like the dinosaurs.deadsperm
- i thought you said they weren't extinct?Nairn
- I thought I could trick you guys into believing that with pretty pictures. But ya'lls too smart and rational.deadsperm
Anyone started planning their Corona Virus Worst Case Scenario Bug Out yet?
Chinatown in Philly is a ghost town.
I have noticed more people wearing face masks in public in the past couple of days.
I'm out sick today. Should I stay off all threads?
Covid-19 Symptom schedule:
- Day 1: Patients run a fever. They may also experience fatigue, muscle pain, and a dry cough. A small minority of them may have had diarrhea or nausea one to two days before.
- Day 5: Patients may have difficulty breathing — especially if they are older or have a preexisting health condition.
- Day 7: This is how long it takes, on average, before patients are admitted to a hospital, according to the Wuhan University study.
- Day 8: At this point, patients with severe cases (15%, according to the Chinese CDC) develop acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), an illness that occurs when fluid builds up the lungs. ARDS is often fatal.
- Day 10: If patients have worsening symptoms, this is the time in the disease's progression when they're most likely to be admitted to the ICU. These patients probably have more abdominal pain and appetite loss than patients with milder cases. Only a small fraction die: The current fatality rate hovers around 2%.
- Day 17: On average, people who recover from the virus are discharged from the hospital after two-and-a-half weeks.
not deadlier than the flu fyi.... drama queens.
- It’s exactly this kind of hubris that the wuflu is counting on.Gnash
- You got a source for that? it has a higher infection rate and the death rate is ~2%, as opposed to around 0.1% for seasonal flu.Nairn
- Only plus side as I can see is that there have apparently been no child or infant fatalities so far.Nairn
- We'll 'probably be ok', at least in health terms. I'm concerned for my parents, and I'm concerned for my business more than anything at the moment.Nairn
- Also, supply chains are beginning to get shat upon - of course, this might in the long-term be beneficial, relying less on China as a single point of failure.Nairn
- Like the flu it takes the older and already sick. I'm annoyed that the media is acting like its 'the flu' from The Stand. The biggest problem is that when thetank02
- shit wil really hit the fan we will all be numbed out by a sensationalism in the press. Btw, got the flu right now, together with wife and son. Just was coughintank02
- in the postoffice. That was fun. I was almost bagged like that scene from monsters inc.tank02
- still thinking the same way tank?imbecile
^ tank is correct. My wife is a nurse practitioner and has been saying flu is WAY more dangerous from the outset. Same goes for all of the docs I've spoken with. For Nairn, here's what I pulled from the top of a simple search query.
"So far, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC."
- Could it be that the flu is more dangerous simply because it's more widespread? If this spreads everywhere, it will almost certainly kill more people than that.yuekit
- well, there's no vaccination for Covid-19, won't be for years, there IS a higher % mortality rate and the infectious capacity's higherNairn
- I'm sorry, but I've been reading a lot from people way smarter than I am and they're generaly 'quite concerned'.Nairn
- I've read reports concerned about 40% of entire populations becoming infected - if that came to pass in the states, tha tcould equate to 2.4 MILLION deaths.Nairn
- Granted, 40% is for slightly dysfunctional states - but the concern is about a pandemic overwhelming health authorities. There's only so many ICU bedsNairn
- In the vast majority of cases, there will be no need for an ICU bed, or any inpatient care. Rest and liquids will cure almost all cases, just like the flu.monospaced
- hello Nairn, concern is good. But media is getting in to a frenzy. Just got a newsflash here. HOTEL IN BENIDORM IN LOCKDOWN. Than you see the people chilling,tank02
- Aye mono, but in the small but significant number of cases that need an ICU to survive, not having one will result in an additional needless deathNairn
- Neither of those two positions are contrary, tank. If they're Brits (I assume they are) they've just got a paid-for extension to their holidayNairn
- what does your nurse wife say now?imbecile
I'm working on a project for the CDC right now and though Covid-19 is getting a lot of hype, in their opinion the flu is still a much bigger concern. While Covid-19's death rate is currently higher, it will settle to a point less than that of the much more prevalent flu.
- Of course right now, flu should remain a major concern - I'm curious to know what the basis is for the expectation of a lower settling in time?Nairn
- Also sounds from here: https://twitter.com/… that the CDC isn't exactly unconcerned...Nairn
- I can't say I know their entire rationale, but part of it is likely to do with a better understanding of how to treat and contain.MondoMorphic
- The CDC is definitely doing things (e.g., every one of their conference rooms is taken with coronavirus-related activities)...MondoMorphic
- ...but as much as anything they are responding to the hype and hysteria.MondoMorphic
- The flu death rate is 0.1% so how could the new virus be a point less?yuekit
- You're taking my post too literally. Read "point" as degree, level, etc...MondoMorphic
I think way to look at this is in how China reacted, and with that in mind realise that here in non-Authoritarian states - we probably can't institute the same level of control - the thought of a major city in the UK being effectively cut off from the rest of the country is... beyond my capacity for imagining.
Obviously China was shitting itself about this from not long after it came into being - China's not [completely] run by idiots, so their level of concern must in and of itself be very telling.
Given we have spread by non-symptomatic people, over a fairly long timespan (3+ weeks) coupled to a high rate of infection - basically we have the makings of a bit of a clusterfuck.
We've been culturally-prepared for this scenario by a few decades of panic-instilling media (movies and books and such) and we have pretty much a hundred years ago evidence of how a global pandemic effects itself - and that, in an age when their weren't literally millions of people criss-crossing the, within hours, every day.
I dearly hope that this all passes without too much effect and those of us who are concerned about it feel a bit foolish - but at some point, there WILL be a global pandemic of SOMETHING - so why not this? Why not now?
- *criss-crossing the globeNairn
- yup that's the difference between china and the west. guests who were supposed to be quarantined in a tenerife hotel thought "fuck it" and went swimming anyway.hans_glib
- but then again, h5n1... or whatever it washans_glib