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- Fax_Benson-2
@chimp
they are doing this for the good of the people according to their own hard left dogma - and they're sweeping along a lot of genuine, well intentioned people who, by wanting things to be better, have constructed a false identity around Corbyn.
- It's not 'Hard Left' just Left. We've been so used to the centre ground anyone with a firm ideology seems extreme. He isn't.Morning_star
- It is very much is hard left. Look at his circle. Look at the media bubble that surrounds it. Really, it is.Fax_Benson
- @morning - exactly - his policies are not hard left at all.fadein11
- it was a middle class manifesto. His PEOPLE are hard left.Fax_Benson
- are they?fadein11
- Have a look.Fax_Benson
- Had a look and they aren't. Kevin Slocombe is possibly a contender. However his team seams pretty balanced to me.Morning_star
- yep - by scandinavian standards v.moderate.fadein11
- Can you give me an example of one of their "hard left" policies?Chimp
- exploiting austerity, system failure and social inequality for political gainFax_Benson
- Where did they say that? Or is that your opinion? Can you give a real factual example?Chimp
- they didn't say it, they did it.Fax_Benson
- The only way of winning is exploiting your enemies weaknessesfadein11
- fruitsalad1
Ultimately politics is inherently flawed, the very act of forming a party and pushing an agenda, formulating policies based around a core ideology, always claiming the other side are wrong... never do you hear a politician or PM say "Actually the opposite parties ideas are quiet good and we've been wrong with some of our suggestions." never... there's no compromise... just stubborn thick headed dumbos...
They stand in the house of commons blatantly pushing their agendas, knowing full well it's not good at all for the general public, but damned if they'll let the other side win, damned if they're ever cave and admit their suggestions are stupid.
We need to elect not a party, not to choose between parties, rather to elect a group of individuals, and elect them individually. They should all be independent, accountable to themselves and the electoral. There should be no Left or Right, Tory/Labor etc parties. Just smart folks, someone has a good idea about pensions, elect them. Some has a great idea for transport, elect them. someone knows how to turn around the NHS, great. someone has the right view on immigration - with no left/right agenda, great lets hear their ideas. etc...
Because all we have these days is bickering and point scoring creepy politicians on power trips with hidden agendas.
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- +1 also do governments or corporations have more power?Chimp
- Fax_Benson2
They want economic collapse so that they can exploit the aftermath. They want societal breakdown because that's their most fertile ground. They actually say it in those two examples.
That's exploiting the people they say they represent. What am I missing here?
- But they didn't create the problems. I think you may be going a little tinfoil hat. They want change not collapse - whether you agree the change is good or notfadein11
- is a different story. You are implying they engineered the last 10 years of austerity, the disaster of Brexit, the failing Tory party. They didn't create thesefadein11
- they want a socialist future. fine, looks good on paper. Look what they're willing to do to get it. It's in front of you and you can't see it.Fax_Benson
- issues or have any influence over them. They were in the political wasteland until a lot of disgruntled people noticed what Corbyn was saying.fadein11
- What have they done to try and get it? Do you mean Corbyn standing at a rally talking sense to a load of people sick of centrist politics?fadein11
- It's a grassroots movement that has grown way bigger than expected even by them. It's another reaction to people being sick of the same political bullshit. Wefadein11
- got Corbyn, the US drew the short straw and got Trump. But unfort we also have a side order of Brexit to deal with :)fadein11
- they don't care how fucked the poor get if it gives them a chance of power. They've admitted it.Fax_Benson
- the things you downvoted. That's their power strategy. They and you can justify it because it's 'left'Fax_Benson
- and the Tories are evilFax_Benson
- (they are pretty evil)Fax_Benson
- "they don't care how fucked the poor get if it gives them a chance of power" - happy to been shown proof of this pls - no evidence in stuff you posted below.fadein11
- I don't think you're missing anything apart from a rational understanding of the situation. The government now has an opposition.Ianbolton
- Corbyn never wanted personal power - study his career. He had to be persuaded to stand as leader and never expected to win. Hence his somewhat lacklustre start.fadein11
- Let's agree to disagree. I had/have reservations about Corbyn but as time has gone all I am seeing is good. I doubt their aims are what you say though and plsfadein11
- provide real evidence if it exists.fadein11
- Look up what Socialism means, also take a look at some "socialist" Scandinavian countries.Chimp
- i think corbyn is remarkably centrist in his policies. whatever his own beliefs if anything he's preaching multilateralism/ peaceful protest not revolution...kingsteven
- that'll be the next guy :-|kingsteven
- hans_glib1
here's something for you lot to have a rant about...
this from a one time tory mp:
"Queen's Speech delayed, I see!!! I can see Theresa having a QS without a formal alliance with the Unionists and either scraping through as they abstain, or losing. If she loses, Corbyn will be appointed Prime Minister and given the chance to form a government.
The risk is, that he is a Leninist and never gives up power. His record in holding onto the levers of power has been demonstrated in his own party. He is shameless. If the result is another immediate election the Tories will enter it leaderless and be smashed. My student politics instincts - which are his - would be to catalyse a situation where there is another election, then sweep to power amidst Tory disarray. He will be fighting from a platform of strong and successful leadership. Unbelievable, but true."
- Holding onto the levers of power. By being democratically elected by the party membership. Twice.face_melter
- As opposed to the secret ball-tugging and rimjobs the Tories perform to elect their chief nugget.face_melter
- never gives up power... he's only just proven he has it.fadein11
- y'know, fuck party politics - Theresa and Jeremy and ...
https://www.youtube.…Bluejam - don't know if that'll happen but, Corbyn aside, the political space he comes from, and some of those he's brought with him, are a little bit worryingFax_Benson
- of course it wont, way too much common sense for those cunts in westminster.Bluejam
- why worry about one party when both are just as bad as each otherBluejam
- kingsteven0
Haha, been away for a couple of weeks but I was complaining about the DUP on the first page as a matter of 'You wouldn't believe the cuntbags that we get to vote for over here...' can't believe they won in my constituency though, a massive split between the (vaguely) progressive vote: Sinn Fein, SDLP and Alliance, Greens allowed them to waltz right in.
Well anyway, now you know!
- so it's all your fault!
how did the tour go?hans_glib - haha, we're so fucked over here, it's just nice to see it make national news.kingsteven
- tour was real nice. a few grim shows/turnouts/beds along the way but had a great driver, made it feel almost too easy.kingsteven
- so it's all your fault!
- Bluejam1
"No 10 refuses to confirm Queen's speech will go ahead next Monday. "
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https://www.youtube.…Bluejam - The DUP are that obnoxious family member that turns up at gatherings and after a few drinks starts talking about 'The Blacks' and corporal punishment.face_melter
- Patrick Stewart lives in the US now. I guess this explains his reaction.CyBrainX
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- lowimpakt1
Gove's back in.
What a bag of wank
- hilarious - like he's going to help repair the damage, he's been toxic in every position he's held.fadein11
- To keep an eye on him, stop his backroom whispering about leadership elections. Although he got blown the fuck up in the last one, the rubber-faced cunt.face_melter
- He can't even clap! http://i.imgur.com/5…microkorg
- He's like a Jim Henson puppet.face_melter
- That gif of him clapping is definitely android malfunction wtafset
- Anyone getting the impression someone's at the helm trying very deliberately to get this whole catastrophic two years of politics to implode? *fingers crossed*detritus
- I've got a feeling it's http://noel.world/Fax_Benson
- taking a break to do what?Fax_Benson
- teh2
- a+colin_s
- The UK is so fucked! If you guys bring in more economic migrants and Syrian mercenaries, you help solve your problems.robotron3k
- the UK is one of the wealthiest, safest and most beautiful countries on the planet. it has some of the best art, music and people. its politics is fucked butlowimpakt
- whose isn't, eh?lowimpakt
- @robo - we have let a tiny number of Syrian refugees into the country - a shameful amount. So do some research before commenting please.fadein11
- He said mercenaries, not refugees.
You want more mercenaries?detritus - yeah that's what I want detritus, spot on pal.fadein11
- Oh, it was my mistake was it?
How silly of me!detritus - last 2 mins = everything that's wrong with the left.Fax_Benson
- you got the point, move along.fadein11
- Bluejam2
Meanwhile at number 10 ...
- chrisRG-1
- lowimpakt0
The DUP who the Tories are in discussion with are an interesting bunch.
Up to 2016 their leader was Peter Robinson who founded a paramilitary group called Ulster Resistance.
The party is supported by other loyalist paramilitaries such as the UVF, UDA and Red Hand Commandos.
They are anti-immigration, 40% of their members believe creationism should be taught in schools, they are broadly homophobic.
- SlashPeckham1
Today we return this country back to the utopian ideals of the early 90s. Free university and housing benefit for under 21s - what a world this will be...
- dream on. all the money was thrown away at the failing banks and then squirrelled away offshore - gone for ever. stupid fuckers.hans_glib
- LOLDillinger
- Yup, that cash slipped out the UK faster than Boris pulls his dripping cock out of his secretary.face_melter
- We just make more new cash - I do it all the time - join me!SlashPeckham
- loads of cash available but no the tories won't milk the rich.fadein11
- Lol take it from the rich and let corrupt governments spend it responsiblyHayoth
- sorry I meant tax dodgers. lol @ yankydoodledandy mentioning corruption.fadein11
- detritus1
- Didn't have time / couldn't be bothered to zombify this image, having him raise from the ground.detritus
- He would be doing a jig as we speak
He would french kiss the popeDillinger - My dad used to change the channel every time he came on TV. We're not Catholic.detritus
- I'm going deaf just looking at his picture.face_melter
- I'm wiping the spittle from my face just looking at his picture.detritus
- Ianbolton0
Please remember BREXIT STILL MEANS BREXIT