Star Trek: Discovery
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- Continuity1
This week on 'Slow-Motion Car Crash Masquerading as Star Trek':
• The Earth's solar system is woefully under-defended. One single Klingon house can take out a starbase just outside the solar system with barely any starships (three? really?) to stop them. And, apparently, with no reinforcements from Earth coming. One can only be thankful Starfleet had learnt its lesson by the time Wolf 359 happened, even if they were on the losing side. At least they had ships to throw at the Borg.
• Miraculously, the Klingon Houses seem to be able to not bother trying to take each other out for control of the Empire, and have it together long enough to take out the Federation instead. Because, well, civil war sucks, and would be a complete waste of resources, and would mean they wouldn't be able to mount a cohesive strategy against Starfleet, am I right? Oh wait, they're not actually united, you say ...
• Turns out terraforming takes no time at all, and Federation starships seem readily equipped for the job (how convenient!). Makes one wonder why there was so much hype around the Genesis Project, 28 years later. Clearly, Dr Carol Marcus & Co were rank amateurs.
• SMG still can't act.
• Neither can the mouth-breather who plays Tyler.
• Their 'romance' is still so painfully written and trite to watch, I want to stab my eyes out with an X-Acto knife.
• Happy to see Stamets got over his BF getting the Worf Neck Snap™ so quickly. Chin up, lad, that's the spirit.
• Captain Lorca was actually a mirror universe terrorist, and he was running the supposedly most important ship in Starfleet? How awful! Terrible! We should see to it nothing like this never happens again! Until ...
• Uh-oh! We're in the shit! Make the mirror universe Georgiou captain of the supposedly most important ship in Starfleet! What a great idea! What could possibly go wrong, right?!
• The utter numpties in the writers' room seem to think dropping references to the second-worst Trek series will lend their own shit-show some legitimacy. How cute.
• You told me there were no Kelpians over there. And then you ate one. That's OK, I forgive you. Lying, betrayal and eating sentient beings happens sometimes. I still love you, you big mutinying, war-starting, Kelpian-eating silly.
• Hi, my name's L'Rell. And I'm a piece of furniture.
• Hey guys! Guys! He's really a Klingon, he killed our doctor, but he's allowed to wander around and stuff, and have lunch with us! Group hug!
Sigh. I fucking hate this show.
- 1. We have no idea about the war for the last 9 months and how hard fought it was.
2. We've seen dishonorable, infighting Klingons in every incarnation of StaCyBrainX - r Trek. Nothing new and somewhat expected.CyBrainX
- 3. There was no terraforming. Just some kind of hyperaccelerated spore growth. Star Trek is full of stories like this. I'd call it science fiction.CyBrainX
- Sonnequa Martin isn't great but she's far better than Shatner on his best day and better than most of the DS9 cast.CyBrainX
- I'd rather there be no love stories in Star Trek. I'll give you this one but it's not eye stabbing time quite yet.CyBrainX
- Stamets is still upset about his BF and told Tyler as much.CyBrainX
- Captain Lorca looks exactly like Captain Lorca, seems to keep distance from most of the crew except Michael and she didn't know the real Lorca.CyBrainX
- I don't quite understand the complaint about Georgiou. They absoluitely SHOULD be referencing previous Star Trek. There's a half century of it after all.CyBrainX
- The bit about Tyler being a Klingon is not accurate at this point and he's not completely unlimited but this is a valid point.CyBrainX
- +Stamets has travelled infinite realms and met his lover's doppelganger and has some tangible depth of feeling of his still-existence 'somewhere'.detritus
- The Lorca thing i don't get though - did evilLorca take out his counterpart? If not, how did he rise through ranks so quickly to achieve captaincy?detritus
- I quite like it all - it's not coheseive with canon and does drop some technical aspects (which made Trek Trek - or, at least - TNG TNG) but it is fun.detritus
- Lorca's counterpart is presumed dead in the other universe. I have a feeling some kind of time travel is going to alter history and bring everyone back.CyBrainX
- Yeah. Time travel. The Big Cop-Out. But I doubt they'll do it next week, more like towards the end of the series' entire run.Continuity
- If Enterprise can end on a TNG holodeck episode, STD can be cheap enough to end on a time travel reset.Continuity
- Were City on the Edge of Forever, Yesterday's Enterprise, and First Contact big copouts?CyBrainX
- 1. We have no idea about the war for the last 9 months and how hard fought it was.
- Wolfboy0
Is there any problem that the new Star Trek can’t solve by kicking, punching, stabbing and shooting the fuck out of it?
I’m just about over the fact that the ridiculous levels of technology they have in an era before Kirk, it’s still bullshit, but whatever. But the general tone of the show is just crap.
There was a point tonight where certain characters needed a plan to get out of a situation and that plan was kick-punch-shoot-stab.
I’ve got this far so I’ll probably see out this season, but if they don’t do something interesting I don’t think I’ll bother with the second.
- The franchise has never paid much attention to tech continuity. How many problems are solved by tech that's never mentioned again?i_monk
- Yeah, I still think it’s been a bizare decision to make this before the original series, but it’s the general violent action tone it’s taken that has bothered..Wolfboy
- ...me more. The whole thing is just so blunt.Wolfboy
- This turd of a show is shockingly violent, actually, and it's a real put-off.Continuity
- Shockingly violent? Really?CyBrainX
- In the context of Star Trek? Absolutely. And needlessly gruesome, too.Continuity
- sofakingback0
I've been watching every episode of Star Trek from the original series to all the movies. Right now I'm rewatching Next Generation.
Pure awesomeness.
Curious about discovery, where does it rank for those that have watch all the series?
- Still early to tell, but for me, near the bottom, so far. But the show has been very polarizing.ETM
- I'm not at all a fan of Discovery. I hate it.Continuity
- ah damn, I was hoping for something good.sofakingback
- Let me put it to you this way: I'd rather watch 'Enterprise'.Continuity
- My order:
Next Generation, original, Discovery, Enterprise, Voyager, DS9CyBrainX - ^ That is a unique order.ETM
- For me it's TNG, TOS, VOY, DS9, ENT, DISContinuity
- detritus1
I think I've gone off this show.
- because of the klingonporn? :Dsted
- I think it's the identikit minority viewer checklisting. Perhaps the non-episodic nature. Perhaps the ludicrosity. Dunno. Perhaps I'm having a shit week.detritus
- All I know is that I excitedly came back from holiday to two episodes, and it then took me over a week to watch both, and I can't really remember much from themdetritus
- 'Orrible show, isn't it?Continuity
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- CyBrainX0
It's amazing how fickle people turned after 3 episodes.
- Watch the first three episodes of TNG to comparenb
- 5 episodes but who's countinghotroddy
- The first 2 seasons of TNG where bad. Really bad.tank02
- I'm a life long fan. TNG is my favorite series but that first season was pretty weak.CyBrainX
- check out the podcast start trek TNC with Matt Miro & Andy Secunda. Hilarious take on SO1 & S02tank02
- ETM0
I was flicking through the channels and caught the last half of ep. 3 again. I dunno, the more I think about it the more frustrating that they just didn't make it after the TNG/Voyager timeline. They wanted to update the tech, it would make more sense. They want a conflict, then they can have it without having to retcon existing lore. They want nuance through moral ambiguity, great, it makes more sense in the future where maybe the Federation is stretched and tested in a way that makes the Borg look like a Sunday afternoon.
The idea of this new warp tech is silly in the current context (but would be perfect in a future one). We know it doesn't exist over a hundred years later, so why? Either it fails or it's a black op that Section 31 buries and even dealing with the Borg, or losing Voyager they don't take out of moth balls.
They're too scared to operate without the crutch of nostalgia, even when it works against the narrative/premise.
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- I agree. It's still pretty awesome though..set
- I have faith they will explain these discrepancies. Some were mentioned on the first After Trek show. They tell too much in my opinion. I don't like spoilers.CyBrainX
- ^ Hope so...ETM
- PonyBoy0
haha... had no idea John Larroquette was in Star Trek 3 (along side Christopher Lloyd):
- John Tesh was a halodeckKlingon in Worf's right of ascension ritual. Iggy Pop was an alien and Mick Fleetwood was a fisheaded alien. I could go on.CyBrainX
- I remember Iggy Pop in DS9... didn't know about John Tesh or Mick FleetwoodPonyBoy
- Christian Slater, The Rock, Kelsey Grammer, Adam Scott, Andy Dick, Tom Hardy, Ron Perlman, Sarah Silverman, heck, Kurtwood Smith was 3 different characters.Akagiyama
- Clint Howard played 2 characters separated by 30 years. Ashley Judd, Terri Hatcher, Terri Garr, Jean Simmons brought down bigger men than Picard, Lurch, RiddlerCyBrainX
- jonathan banks, terry oquinn, diedrich baderhotroddy
- Continuity0
The whole Klingon business was hinted at on DS9, and more fully-explained (read: retconned) on 'Enterprise' (which was a rancid turd of a series, anyway):
- And, strictly speaking, Worf's look is simply a continuation of the new Klingon look introduced in The Motion Picture (1979).Continuity
- That's true. That Enterprise episode explained how it was a genetic disease. That show was way underrated.CyBrainX
- Ugh, no it wasn't. It was fucking awful.Continuity
- Klingons were in that one? I didn't think we saw them until Wrath of Kahn.ETM
- Yes, I'd seen the DS9 Tribble episode but I didn't know any of the other stuff.Wolfboy
- @ETM: Klingons were in the opening sequence of TMP, when they were trying to take out V'ger. The only Klingon references in TWOK are in the context of the ...Continuity
- Kobayashi Maru scenario at the start of the film, and it only re-uses ship footage from TMP.Continuity
- Not only were the Klingons in the Motion Picture (briefly) but one of them was Mark Lenard. He was the only actor to be Vulcan, Romulan and Klingon.CyBrainX
- Oh, yes, that's right!Continuity
- hotroddy0
I know star trek prides itself in being 'progressive' with it's acceptance on race, culture, gender etc.
But it still sounds stupid to this day to hear 'where no person has gone before' rather 'than no man has gone before'. The latter was so perfect.
And Having a chick seems stupid. Viewers will relate more with a captan kirk or JLP over the captain katherine whaterver.
But I think they do it as a good promotional angle. As it's a good message. "LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE AND ACCEPTING WE HAVE BECOME IN THE FUTURE".
- female captain seems almost like an obligation. not super thrilled but holding it out so i don't look like a misogynistscarabin
- hey we have a female Dr Who and a Prime Minister nowGardener
- i guess we are already in the future.hotroddy
- In any case, it's 'where no-one has gone before', not 'where no person'.Continuity
- that's not as bad. but not memorable IMHPhotroddy
- Akagiyama1
Jason Issacs as Captain Gabriel Lorca:
“Star Trek: Discovery” will consist of fifteen episodes for its first season with the initial eight kicking off weekly from September 24th, and the remaining seven starting in January. The show will be available on CBS All Access in the U.S. and Netflix outside North America.
- misterhow0
Star Trek is for kids. jk
I'm thoroughly enjoying this season especially. Dare I say, this is the best Trek show yet! I enjoyed Picard but Disco has good characters and some really solid story telling.- I love the series too. My favorite episode this year was the Vulcan trial story. The posthumous cameo was very moving.CyBrainX
- I'm not sure where I place it among my favorites yet but it's the most consistent. They never give us throwaway stories about Ferengi crossdressers.CyBrainX
- don't check out the youtube fanboys. comicsbook guy from the simpsons leveltank02
- yeah I find this is better than Picard.grafician
- Continuity1
All right, I just watched this week's episode. And I will — grudgingly — admit that it was fairly entertaining.
- i_monk1
Stepped out the door after work today and ran into someone I used to work with but now only ever see when I randomly run into him. Anyway, he works on the set of Discovery! He says Sonequa Martin-Green (Michael Burnham) is a *super* nice person on set. And all that ridiculous lens flare is real, done with special lights, not CG'd in post like I assumed.
He's working on a Brooke Shields pilot now between seasons.
- i_monk0
The Scarborough Bluffs, east end of Toronto. Way better than yet another arid scrubland with large rocks.
(I wish my friend hadn't broken up with the set designer! I never got my tour!)
- copy-paste moonssted
- The production values are quite good on this show. They obviously have a higher budget for TV than the past series.CyBrainX
- Netflix money.i_monk
- Netflix has season 1 but my money has been going to CBS All Access.CyBrainX
- Netflix paid for most or all of the production: https://screenrant.c…i_monk
- CyBrainX0
SPOILERS (last night)
Last night's episode was more coherent but the Prime Directive violations go to Kirk Prime territory. I might have been ok with Seru going down there to tell them about the other race from his planet but not about telling them about technology and the Federation.
- I was pretty impressed, and finally an episode that didn't feel absolutely schizophrenic from trying to juggle A-, B-, C-, D-, E-, and F-plots in one go.Continuity
- If you didn't check out Short Treks, you should watch the one about Seru's early life and homeworld planet. It was very good and explains the last two episodesCyBrainX
- I did catch the Saru one. I wasn't impressed.Continuity
- The Prime Directive exists to be broken. Just like Worf existed to get thrown around.i_monk
- The tradition of characters getting their asses kicked: Checkov, Worf, Archer and Tilly on DiscoveryCyBrainX
- A bit different: Worf was the measure of toughness, so if he got tossed it's a Serious Threat.i_monk
- ^AgreedCyBrainX
- Wolfboy0
I've not watched any of the second season as I really did not enjoy the first. It never felt like Star Trek to me (far too explosions and punching based – which I have no issue with, I just want something slightly more cerebral from Star Trek)
So am I missing out? Have they adjusted the tone and style to be a bit more on brand? Should I give it another go considering the type of things that turned me off the first season?
- On the whole, you're not really missing much. Although, I will admit Anson Mount plays a thoroughly watchable Pike.Continuity
- I've been enjoying but I'm not a treky.thumb_screws
- I love that they brought Pike in but he's not as good as Bruce Greenwood in the recent movies.CyBrainX
- No way, Bruce Greenwood has nothing on Anson Mount's Pike.Continuity
- scarabin1
man, i defended the shit outta this series here when it first came out, then lost interest almost immediately. guess i should give it another go?
- ETM1
St: Discovery, keeping up the tradition of overly conveniently wrapping up major plot points in the last 5 minutes.
Holodeck malfunction, we will pull the isolinear chips and restart.
Dr. Crusher get's it on with a ghost, phaser the candle it lives in.
Vicious enemy that demands blood, destruction and near destroys the entire Federation. A conflict that defines the next 100 years or more, just plant a bomb and give up the "calculator".
- detritus0
I thought it came out on Mondays? Do you watch it in the morning, Continuity?
- Aye.Continuity
- So you hate the show, have said as much repeatedly over the months, yet start your week off with it, watching TV in the daytime? Why?!detritus
- I get it on Sunday nights at 8:30 in NYC. Is it different elsewhere?CyBrainX
- Oh.. perhaps it's a Sunday thing? Or is Sunday in NYC Monday here in Blighty?
I just associate it with Monday evenings.detritus - Like the old days, when TV shows were on once a week, and if you missed it when it was on, well you're shit out of luck for another year or two!detritus
- Continuity2
This week on Shit Trek: Dysentery: Mary Sue makes a speech, all is forgiven, and the producers give Trekkies the finger (again) by needlessly re-designing the Enterprise.
Fuck this. I’m done with this shit-show.
- As a "Trekkie" I don't give a shit that they redesigned the TOS Enterprise.i_monk