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- shapesalad0
https://uk.reuters.com/article/u…
"JPMorgan is asking around 300 staff in its London office to sign new contracts that will require them to move to one of the bank’s other hubs in the European Union if there is a no-deal Brexit, according to a person familiar with the matter."
- zarkonite0
"MPs back votes on Brexit alternatives by 329 votes to 302"
LOL, oh you mean like staying?
- Alternative types of Brexit rather than alternatives to, although those alternatives will include an alternative toFax_Benson
- fucking circus is what it ishans_glib
- Rumor has it the Russians helped vote in Brexit!robotron3k
- ^ do you even know that's an actual thing? anyway, more from american billionaires and saudi royalty ffs robokingsteven
- hans_glib1
I'm a Labour MP who voted Remain, representing a constituency that voted heavily to Leave. I’m torn in two. I want to be accountable, I want to be involved, but I sit uselessly and helplessly, trapped in a Commons that’s falling to pieces at a time of national crisis. This diary is my silent scream.
I’m one of the 650. We’ll all get the blame when the ship sinks, but in truth you might as well have put a dead cat in there instead of me; it would have had as much of a role as I’ve had in the Brexit discussions. Want to know what that feels like? It’s embarrassing, humiliating and hugely, overwhelmingly frustrating.
At a time of looming disaster, there’s this awful feeling of paralysis. The regional whip told me at the weekend that I’d need to be in Westminster all this week. We don’t know when the votes are coming, what the votes will be or what our position is, but we know we need you there. In other words, we know nothing. But for yet another week, all my constituency engagements have been cancelled.
I sought out some Tory mates last week. They’re very senior in the party. I wanted them to tell me that despite appearances to the contrary, Theresa May was actually a fantastic poker player, that great minds were being consulted and the country was in safe hands. Back came no reassurance whatsoever. Her master plan, it seems, is to survive until the next day. If that doesn’t fill you with terror, nothing will.
Where’s Labour in all this? It has no voice and no seat at the table. If we were a strong opposition, we’d be challenging a lot more effectively and we probably wouldn’t have tumbled into this black hole quite so quickly. We’d have seen it coming and done something about it.
We’re not strong on this because we’re so divided. Jeremy’s completely ambivalent. Len McCluskey is really, really against a second referendum but most of the shadow cabinet are Londoners and want a People’s Vote. Jeremy tries to appease both sides, so we’ve never really had a clear position, nor been open about what that is. Keir Starmer’s doing a fabulous job but he’s not in the party’s top tier of decision-making, so the door gets shut on him as much as it does on everyone else.
You end up with the absurdity of a government with the lowest approval rating for years that’s still neck and neck with Labour in the opinion polls. When you’re chatting with Tories they’ll say, “It’s amazing, we just do one f***-up after another. This government’s a total disaster and yet every time we screw up you lot save us by coming out and doing something worse.” It’s extraordinary, but it’s true.
When I set off for the Commons today, it felt a bit like leaving for war or the funeral of a close relative. Friends texted to wish me luck. People at the station came up and said I should keep going, that this is survivable. I’m not so sure. I feel darkness and impotence and dread.
What’s so frustrating is that I know I could contribute. If they let me, I could work on this. If they gave me a role, I’d work until I dropped down dead to try to get the best outcome for this country. Instead you sit there, waiting, in a constant state of anxiety. Because any moment now, something else might go wrong and make things even worse. It’s on my watch but what can I do? Bugger all.
The terrifying truth is that the democratic structures we all put our faith in have turned out to be made of sand. Yes, I’m an MP. There are hundreds of us here this week. We’re supposed to be taking decisions that will affect our country for generations to come but you know what? Right now I don’t even feel like a tiny cog in this machine. Most of us here are as bewildered as everyone outside the Commons. That’s truly frightening.
The MP wishes to remain anonymous
- Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me at all.Morning_star
- After winter, must come spring
Change, it comes eventually...
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time to find or invent new leadership.uan - Dear Remain voting Labout MP. Our paralysis is even worse you CUNT!microkorg
- Rather than representing their fools, they should have educated them before and after the ref on how economics/EU/world actually works.shapesalad
- then they wouldn't need to be torn, they can be a leader carrying the enlightened with them forcing a change that is based on logic, sound economics and dreamsshapesalad
- of sunny retirements in spain/france/portuga... etc...shapesalad
- Not to mention Labours Custom union 'idea' essentially means, if you want to be in a custom union with EU, then door you got to be in the EU!shapesalad
- If you're talking about the rich level of customs union Labour talk about.shapesalad
- Fax_Benson1
This is v good on what happens this week with the indicative votes, although it lays out exactly how some remain MPs are gaming the system as much as the ERG. Their sense of moral superiority means they don't even realise they're doing it.
- Dunt is really good on the details until it comes to the specifics of a 2nd referendum. I haven't heard anyone explain how the hell it would work.Fax_Benson
- Bluejam2
"News of the day (for some), though, is Rees-Mogg admitting to a "thought process" that people like him hadn't gone through before, that Brexit is a process rather than an event. "I think many of us felt that, on 29 March, we leave, that's it, bingo, done", he says. "Whereas it seems as if leaving is much the same as joining". Unravelling our membership, he adds, "is perhaps not a single event but a process of unravelling and diverging which will take time".
http://www.eureferendum.com/blog…
fuckinghellfacepalm
- This fool needs removing from any position of authority or decision making.shapesalad
- he's just realised that May's deal going through allows them to ditch her, install a no deal nutter as PM and pull the whole thing down after exitFax_Benson
- Bluejam6
- Amenshapesalad
- This is the first time I've ever actually liked Tusk.. https://www.theguard…Nairn
- Nairn2
Could Farage's face be any more punchable?
- Sorry, baseballbattable.Nairn
- Best quote on Farage by Gus The Fox "Your Mother, creeping down to the village pond in 1963 and injecting frogspawn and tadpoles into her quivering tuppencedee-dubs
- with your Grandma’s turkey baster is one of the most shameful chapters in our country’s history."dee-dubs
- // bonus points given for using 'quivering tuppence'dee-dubs
- flol - grade A!Nairn
- Nairn0
I'll admit - I'm hella ignorant about the details of what the 'Irish Backstop' actually is (I'm afraid I mostly lost interest in following the increasingly pointless detail emerging from this clusterfuck many months ago) - but if N Ireland effectively stays in the EU, does that not mean that 'The UK still has a functional toe in the EU' so could continue financial clearing, etc, that The City (read: Tories) so devotedly fixate upon?
ie. Instead of services leaving the UK entirely, they're effectively serviced in London and then routed through Belfast?
- Then instead of Squaddies doing a tour of NornIreland in the 70s, we'd have financial cunts doing tours in the 2020s, hopefully getting their knees broken...Nairn
- It means the integrity of the UK is compromised, effetely parts of the uk are not same.shapesalad
- Above all else a backstop in place would mean it's a good time to start a smuggling racket across the Irish border.shapesalad
- finance/services maybe but not physical goods.lowimpakt
- the default is a border solution asap. The backstop just makes sure that remains a priority.Fax_Benson
- shapesalad1
- Promises made in 2016 were unicorn ideas, reality has hit the fan, and shite being sprayed doesn't match up to any concept of Brexit. Time to revoke + 2nd ref.shapesalad
- fact is no one voted for those proposals, they voted for promises that in reality can't be delivered. If asked again, any sane leave voter would say fair enoughshapesalad
- and remain. Unfortunately Leave was a protest vote, an up yours to government.shapesalad
- And we haven't even got to the point of a trade talks -this is all for a temporary withdrawal period. bonkers. lets remain, at least to hear an end to this crapshapesalad
- why is the YES in the 2nd row far right column in pink?Krassy
- dee-dubs3
another gem from Gus the Fox:
"-Would you like an ice cream?
-Yes
-I’ve made it out of the tampons that I shove up my dog’s arse.
-Oh right. No then
-Too late. Ice cream means ice cream. Eat it you cunt."
- lowimpakt1
Sherpas (personal representative of a head of state) from the 27 member states huddled out in the hallway of the European Council while the prime ministers meet to discuss response to Brexit update letter Theresa May sent the day before
- were all conference rooms occupied by more important gatherings?Krassy
- this is brexit, everything is on the hoof. I think it's fascinating that this is what active diplomacy between 27 countries looks like.lowimpakt
- Dawn French in the middle there. She gets about.Morning_star
- Fax_Benson2
Fucking hell it's exciting
- Looks like May is promising to lob one over the fence on her way out...robotron3k
- dominic raablowimpakt
- Haha, good shout. It's Raab himself.Fax_Benson
- "Hey Trezza...we'll back your deal if you go and do one..."see_thru
- conclusion of indicative votes: MP's voted down everything... right.. still no majority for anything, slight gain towards a 2nd ref. FFS.shapesalad
- 2nd ref might not solve anything, but if remain or indeed leave get a bigger majority from pubic, at least MP's can stand behind that and therefore we have ashapesalad
- majority vote in parliament and some decisions made...shapesalad
- trooperbill-4
what a fucking abortion last night was! just goes to show how the lot of them couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery. Its great for remainers who using a divide and conquor tactic theyve set up from the start will probably sabotage the whole thing.
- They've had 2 years to organise it and done nothing. Get this Brexit done for god, the queen and Tommy Robinson.
MFI furniture for everyone.PhanLo - true, but would you expect remain MPS to vote for? Brexiters have had a lifetime to work out how to leave and they're all now going for May's dealFax_Benson
- because they haven't managed to come up with anything else.
*what wouldFax_Benson - only an abortion last night? I think an abortion would be the best idea for brexit now as if we have the child it'll grow up to be a cuntIanbolton
- lol @ blaming remainersBluejam
- If they can't agree on anything then the full on version of Brexit with no deals in place happens anyway right?yuekit
- If that's the case the hardline pro Brexit side should be thrilled at how things are developing.yuekit
- that was their plan but MPs voted to ensure (in theory) something will be done to prevent leaving w/o a deal (revoke, extend etc)Fax_Benson
- But if they can't get a majority on any of those things then what?yuekit
- no deal or revoke article 50Bluejam
- But doesn't revoking article 50 also require a vote? I'm just saying, if they really are this hopeless, then no deal would seem to be the overwhelmingyuekit
- likely option at this point, no? Perhaps people are just failing to imagine it the same way they failed to imagine Brexit in the first place.yuekit
- sounds like it would be extended at last minute to avoid the doomsday of no deal or revoke (basically cancelling it). everyone talks tough butFax_Benson
- not sure they're brave enough to live with being responsible for eitherFax_Benson
- no deal is the legal default and May can revoke using her crown prerogative powersBluejam
- A few loons, on either side, excepted.Fax_Benson
- Ah...so May can revoke it alone. But that would cancel the entire process? lol.yuekit
- it's the last thing she'd do though - no way she wants to go down as the Conservative PM who stole brexit. No-deal more likely than thatFax_Benson
- yep, no deal v.likely... and a general election soon. and likely a hung parliament. it's going so well.fadein11
- yet still many of my Corbynista friends are convinced a general election will mean certain victory, the delusion from all sides is strong right now.fadein11
- like a general election will solve anything. people are so fucking stupid.hans_glib
- A general election is the worst possible icing on the cake in this utter farce.fadein11
- They've had 2 years to organise it and done nothing. Get this Brexit done for god, the queen and Tommy Robinson.
- shapesalad1
Parliament votes on Brexit, LIVE report:
- Groucho, Chico & Harpo would do a better job sorting this shit show out than this government. An absolute shower of cunts.Wolfboy
- Bluejam2
"The overall performance of the House rather confirms Jean-Claude Juncker's observation that the MP's know what they are against (i.e., everything) but have no idea of what they favour. Nothing gets a positive vote and the lead option is something which could only come after the Withdrawal Agreement ratification and would not meet the UK's needs.
Effectively, rather than "Bollocks to Brexit", the House has, in the words of John Crace, opted for "Bollocks to everything".
- Bluejam1
"Being that the Conservative party largely favours no deal, the they'd be looking at an extinction level event were they to revoke Article 50 so it looks like we will leave without a deal largely for the short term survival of the party. I say short term because it won't take very long for voters to work out that the Tories who have long preached that there is nothing to fear from no deal have been engaged in a systematic campaign of lying."
- lowimpakt0
this is the spread of last round of votes
Labour and others favour a range of options and the tory MPs favour no deal or their cake and eat it with a standstill transition.
strangely some of them want Norway Plus (e.g. EFTA and EEA) even though this requires strict adherence to EU rules. Norway also pays more per capita into the EU than the UK. I suspects the tories that voted for it don't understand it.
- there are a lot of mp's on both sides that have no grasp or understanding about which they are really voting for.shapesalad
- they've said no for everything. ffs. at least say yes to something! The EU from day one have asked UK what they want, only to hear "leave" and "give us cake".shapesalad
