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- OBBTKN2
- That as well as a means by which a wildly unpopular President can improve his approval ratings.MondoMorphic
- Clinton 2.0OBBTKN
- A guy who works for the CIA named cipher, what will they think of nextyuekit
- I don't get it. What do Bathrooms have to do with Russia?Hayzilla
- drgs1
A movie about how Navalny was poisoned
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt170…- You mean "A movie about how our friend in prison poisoned himself"?Nairn
- mort_1
These cunts are planning military “drills” off the coast of Ireland and warning local fishermen to “refrain from any provocative actions”. Can’t see how this is anything other than an aggressive strategic move. Irish government are against it and fishermen are going to go ahead and fish. Worrying.
- NBQ00-3
Putin most likely waiting after Olympics to not anger China.
- Milan-4
- yep. exactly the same with iranian nukes - they will be ready in a year every year for 10 yearskingsteven
- North Korea vs South Korea alsopablo28
- NBQ00-2
- Milan-4
- uan2
naturally the common people don't want war.
neither in Russia nor in England nor for that matter in Germany, that is understood, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simply matter to drag the people along. wether it is a democracy or a facist dictatorship or a parliament or a communist dictatorship.
voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. that is easy. all you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
it works the same in any country.- 'England' couldn't fight it's way out of a paper bag right now. We are irrelevant in this process, however much our current regime likes to pretend we do, sendfadein11
- in the Truss! lolz...fadein11
- It’s funny that Putin singled out the “Anglo-Saxons” as the adversary in a recent speech. Thought it was bizarre to say the least._niko
- Haha. The Truss has this covered. I somehow feel as though she'd benefit from a war thoughIanbolton
- Gardener16
- America does the same thingpinkfloyd
- Crimea was reunited with Russia without a single bullet fired.Milan
- ^ green mans smiling because their water supply runs through his propertykingsteven
- @Milan no that is a lie.
https://en.wikipedia…sted - It's not too much of a lie should you decide to slice and dice reality into neat portions that suit whatever narrative you're trying to peddle..Nairn
- Wow, 6 casualties! A lot more people were killed at the Black Lives Matter protests.Milan
- lol where did you got that number?sted
- the fucking link YOU posted? "During the Russian annexation of Crimea from 23 February through 19 March 2014, six people were killed."Milan
- so you can read. is it zero?sted
- Does Russia's meddling in Donbas not count somehow? 14,000 killed?yuekit
- Putin is such a little yapping dogtank02
- The Crimea casualties were negligible for a territory with population of 2 million.Milan
- Russia is not trying to annex Donbas you dummy. They could take it in a day if they wanted to, but they don't.Milan
- you guys are hilariouspinkfloyd
- "If Washington was truly interested in the independence of the Ukrainian people, it would call for a resolution granting autonomy to the eastern Donbass regionKhurram
- of Ukraine, where a war for that region’s secession from Ukraine has been waging since at least 2014 when the US/NATO sponsored color rebellion overthrew theKhurram
- elected government in Kyiv." https://www.counterp…Khurram
- How could you possibly know Russia's long term intentions Milan? There are Russian troops in Donbas, that much is clear.yuekit
- And what are the US' long-term plans, Yuekit?Khurram
- Hundreds of Russian soldiers and thousands of Ukrainians have been killed there according to that link you cited.yuekit
- In a civil war. But do elucidate the US' long term plans in the region, as you see it. I would be interested to hear your take on the whole affair.Khurram
- Ukraine is its own country, they can align with USA, NATO or whoever they want. I don't think it's likely to happen anytime soon, but the idea that a nation ofyuekit
- 44 million people can't choose its own future because it might offend Putin is ridiculous.yuekit
- So you decided no to answer the question...Khurram
- However I don't think the USA wants regime change in Russia. Whoever comes after Putin might be worse after all :)yuekit
- I'll help you out: ""What is a unipolar world fit for American capital?"Khurram
- Clearly USA would like a pro-Western Ukraine for geopolitical reasons, however in this case so do most Ukrainians.yuekit
- How dare you question the U.S. hegemony!Milan
- From "zero deaths" to "casualties were negligible" - Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.utopian
- No I think it's good if the world moves towards a more multi-polar system, but not at the cost of countries becoming less democratic.yuekit
- @utopian More people are murdered in any U.S. metropolis every week. Shed a tear for them please.Milan
- the mountains moved by the US for peace in northern ireland over 3 - 4k deaths over 30 years. now the entire international community can't get through akingsteven
- one day the people of Ukraine get some saying about these, my best guess is that they're going to ask to stop getting fucked by all self-proclaimed saviorssted
- @Milan oh man, how many people are in the united states?sted
- sentence without saying 'war'. it's a fucking disgrace. all afraid of loosing face, all afraid of putin. fuck implementing democracy, 'world views' this is notkingsteven
- how is the public informed or what kind of access it has to news and statistical data, and how does this information flow compares to other countries?sted
- how you go about obtaining peace.kingsteven
- ew sorry @kingsteven.sted
- it happens, hah, got distracted watching auctions :) would have been good if you posted "war" right therekingsteven
- A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War https://jacobinmag.c…Khurram
- ^ Quite funny to read a bunch of Marxists complain that a revolution against a corrupt government (notice they don’t use the word coup)yuekit
- involved some unsavory elements and even violence against police!yuekit
- Of course revolutions are messy, but none of this changes the fact that it’s Ukraine’s internal affairs we’re talking about here, not Russia’s.yuekit
- There's the Ad Homs again. Looks like you barely skimmed the article.Khurram
- And such words are synonymous: https://www.thesauru…Khurram
- So wait coup, revolution, mutiny and insurgency...these are all the same? Kind of a shit thesaurus honestly :)yuekit
- Notice that you didn't even read the fucking thing before you came out with your shit.Khurram
- A coup, a revolution, an uprising, a US-backed armed rebellion, in the context of Ukraine in 2014, it's all the same.Khurram
- Here, try Google's thesaurus if that one's not to your liking: https://www.google.c…Khurram
- Colins: https://www.collinsd…Khurram
- Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-…Khurram
- Khurram I know you gotta be smarter than this...of course they have different meanings in terms of actual usage.yuekit
- Revolution = democratic mass uprising. Coup = seizure of power by a small group.yuekit
- BTW this video Morningstar posted is a good overview of what's really happening in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - Notice that he criticizes the West as well as Russia, but is clear about Russia being an imperialist, reactionary power.yuekit
- What? Let's confer with the Cambridge English Dictionary shall we: https://dictionary.c…Khurram
- "a change in the way a country is governed, usually to a different political system and often using violence or war:"Khurram
- Democratic mass uprising? The Iranian Revolution? The Russian Revolution? The French Revolution? These are democratic? Don't be StuepitKhurram
- That article I posted is actually a good overview of what is actually happening in Ukraine. Maybe you should actually take the time to read itKhurram
- and learn from the thoroughly researched journalism it presents. Instead of just dismissing it:Khurram
- "All revolutions are are spearheaded by far-right Neo-Nazi groups! This is nothing new!"Khurram
- Yes, it is balanced, it is critical of the West and the East. Maybe you would have noticed that before dismissing it as a "bunch of Marxists"Khurram
- Bunch of Marxists? It's one guy's article carefully presenting the facts sourced from right wing and left wing sources. Balanced account of the complex situatioKhurram
- "It's not Russias affair"? It's not the United States affair either, now is it?Khurram
- I know now you're pretty dumb, actually, I gave you more credit than you deserve.Khurram
- Take note of the US role in this whole affair and the mass disinformation, misinformation and information war spewing out of Washington for the last 2 weeks.Khurram
- And take your head out of your ass.Khurram
- Guess what, no invasion! Guess what else? There's not going to be one! Neither will Ukraine now ever be admitted into the EU let alone NATO. Thanks Biden!Khurram
- And maybe also note how corrupt and authoritarian the incumbent Ukranian President has become before you start championing one particular side in this civil warKhurram
- https://www.kyivpost…Khurram
- https://nationalinte…Khurram
- https://eurasianet.o…Khurram
- https://www.aljazeer…Khurram
- Ah, revolutions are messy comrade! You got to break some yaytsya to make that hrudka!Khurram
- I dismiss it because I'm familiar with Jacobin magazine. I'm not saying they're the worst of the worst but I'd much rather listen to someone who actually livesyuekit
- in Ukraine rather than some Brooklyn hipster socialist :)yuekit
- Notice there is no mention at all in the video I posted of these far-right militias. Not because they don't exist but because they are mostly irrelevant to theyuekit
- larger conflict. It's actually very easy to side with Ukraine -- you just have to agree with the principle that a military superpower shouldn't invade, meddleyuekit
- And note also the Biden family's personal ties to Zelensky's corrupt government: https://www.dailymai…Khurram
- or annex land from its smaller neighbor. Pretty basic stuff really.yuekit
- But keep arguing semantics and the choice of similar words one analyst chooses over anotherKhurram
- Sure there's corruption. Again what's the relevance to the situation with Russia?yuekit
- This is a good (Marxist) analysis of what's actually going on: https://newleftrevie…Khurram
- It's like if we are talking about Israel and Palestine. I'm sure the Palestinian leadership is deeply corrupt, and there are Palestinians with extremist or antiyuekit
- semitic views. I'm still not going to support Israel bombing them or be neutral about it.yuekit
- You posted a video from a development consultant! Wtf is that? LOLKhurram
- You posted this: https://www.youtube.… wtf?? lol What is it? Some kind of quasi-religious illuminati??Khurram
- You want me to listen to YouTubers?? Mate, you might as well post fucking Russell Brand hahahaKhurram
- I'm out, too much for me.Khurram
- Sure let's not listen to the actual people living in Ukraine lol. Ad hom!yuekit
- Russell Brand seems to agree with you on this issue BTW
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - https://www.youtube.…yuekit
- On the "Rebel Wisdom" guy...yeah I agree it's a bit cringey the name of his channel and supernatural iconography. But he actually has some good interviewsyuekit
- like this one. Ultimately I'd much rather listen to someone who is in the middle of the situation, than some ideological publication like Jacobin that is goingyuekit
- to arrive at the same conclusion every time.yuekit
- sted0
- sted0
masina ladaskaja aawsam. da?%!
- sted1
- This is the most confusing war so fardrgs
- are you having doubts that somebody invented a method to create video evidence that predicts the future? :D its an invasion with a lot of disinformationsted
- https://eegas.com/im…
there was already an "explosion" on one of the pipelinessted - if you compare that map with the current actions and the placement of the troops https://i.imgur.com/… it looks like a way to go.sted
- yuekit4
Out of the box idea: Ukraine and Russia both join NATO, problem solved.
- Nobel Peace Prize.palimpsest
- or put on a huge music festival in Ukraine bringing together everyone. Must have metal detectors on entry though. And no vodka.fadein11
- Russia tried 30 years ago, they don't want them theredrgs
- What happens when in the Uk it rains and lot and you’ve got e. You’ve got Ukraine.shapesalad
- Ukraine should hold a snap referendum to join Russia and vote for it. Conflict avoided.shapesalad
- Canada sends the truckers to Ucraina to block the invasion...grafician
- I like the idea, chaina might does notsted
- NBQ004
Out of the box idea: We all get along and sing Kumbaya around a camp fire.
- Worth tryingnb
- Why not?OBBTKN
- The campfire big enough for all of us
https://images.forwa…drgs - The good ol' days
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - Lyrics please.shapesalad
- Problem not Russian people, problem is Vladgrafician
- The Big Thing the West fucked up was not doing waaay more to integrate post-Soviet era Russia deep into the fold. We have ourselves to blame for today.Nairn
- Whoops, I thought this was yuekit's NATO post, above.Nairn
- I was thinking the same...there was a moment in early 2000s when USA, Russia and China seemed to get along fineyuekit
- Funny, when you say "20 years ago" people still think it's the '90sgrafician
- @yuekit, wikileaks cables showed that it they never were.sted
- Which ones specifically? American media initially portrayed both Putin and Xi as moderate liberal reformers, funnily enoughyuekit
- Also recall Bush and Putin bonding over their shared Christian conservatism "I looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul" was an actual quote from Bushyuekit
- lol Bush was special, damn sometimes he said some idiotic things. "cables" refers to the leaked diplomatic conversations, showing hatred in the background.sted
- and party in the front.sted
- but damn these bad internets, we should get rid of it and only keep the good ones.sted