The Russia thread.
The Russia thread.
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- America does the same thingpinkfloyd
- Crimea was reunited with Russia without a single bullet fired.Milan
- ^ green mans smiling because their water supply runs through his propertykingsteven
- @Milan no that is a lie.
https://en.wikipedia…sted - It's not too much of a lie should you decide to slice and dice reality into neat portions that suit whatever narrative you're trying to peddle..Nairn
- Wow, 6 casualties! A lot more people were killed at the Black Lives Matter protests.Milan
- lol where did you got that number?sted
- the fucking link YOU posted? "During the Russian annexation of Crimea from 23 February through 19 March 2014, six people were killed."Milan
- so you can read. is it zero?sted
- Does Russia's meddling in Donbas not count somehow? 14,000 killed?yuekit
- Putin is such a little yapping dogtank02
- The Crimea casualties were negligible for a territory with population of 2 million.Milan
- Russia is not trying to annex Donbas you dummy. They could take it in a day if they wanted to, but they don't.Milan
- you guys are hilariouspinkfloyd
- "If Washington was truly interested in the independence of the Ukrainian people, it would call for a resolution granting autonomy to the eastern Donbass regionKhurram
- of Ukraine, where a war for that region’s secession from Ukraine has been waging since at least 2014 when the US/NATO sponsored color rebellion overthrew theKhurram
- elected government in Kyiv." https://www.counterp…Khurram
- How could you possibly know Russia's long term intentions Milan? There are Russian troops in Donbas, that much is clear.yuekit
- And what are the US' long-term plans, Yuekit?Khurram
- Hundreds of Russian soldiers and thousands of Ukrainians have been killed there according to that link you cited.yuekit
- In a civil war. But do elucidate the US' long term plans in the region, as you see it. I would be interested to hear your take on the whole affair.Khurram
- Ukraine is its own country, they can align with USA, NATO or whoever they want. I don't think it's likely to happen anytime soon, but the idea that a nation ofyuekit
- 44 million people can't choose its own future because it might offend Putin is ridiculous.yuekit
- So you decided no to answer the question...Khurram
- However I don't think the USA wants regime change in Russia. Whoever comes after Putin might be worse after all :)yuekit
- I'll help you out: ""What is a unipolar world fit for American capital?"Khurram
- Clearly USA would like a pro-Western Ukraine for geopolitical reasons, however in this case so do most Ukrainians.yuekit
- How dare you question the U.S. hegemony!Milan
- From "zero deaths" to "casualties were negligible" - Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.utopian
- No I think it's good if the world moves towards a more multi-polar system, but not at the cost of countries becoming less democratic.yuekit
- @utopian More people are murdered in any U.S. metropolis every week. Shed a tear for them please.Milan
- the mountains moved by the US for peace in northern ireland over 3 - 4k deaths over 30 years. now the entire international community can't get through akingsteven
- one day the people of Ukraine get some saying about these, my best guess is that they're going to ask to stop getting fucked by all self-proclaimed saviorssted
- @Milan oh man, how many people are in the united states?sted
- sentence without saying 'war'. it's a fucking disgrace. all afraid of loosing face, all afraid of putin. fuck implementing democracy, 'world views' this is notkingsteven
- how is the public informed or what kind of access it has to news and statistical data, and how does this information flow compares to other countries?sted
- how you go about obtaining peace.kingsteven
- ew sorry @kingsteven.sted
- it happens, hah, got distracted watching auctions :) would have been good if you posted "war" right therekingsteven
- A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War https://jacobinmag.c…Khurram
- ^ Quite funny to read a bunch of Marxists complain that a revolution against a corrupt government (notice they don’t use the word coup)yuekit
- involved some unsavory elements and even violence against police!yuekit
- Of course revolutions are messy, but none of this changes the fact that it’s Ukraine’s internal affairs we’re talking about here, not Russia’s.yuekit
- There's the Ad Homs again. Looks like you barely skimmed the article.Khurram
- And such words are synonymous: https://www.thesauru…Khurram
- So wait coup, revolution, mutiny and insurgency...these are all the same? Kind of a shit thesaurus honestly :)yuekit
- Notice that you didn't even read the fucking thing before you came out with your shit.Khurram
- A coup, a revolution, an uprising, a US-backed armed rebellion, in the context of Ukraine in 2014, it's all the same.Khurram
- Here, try Google's thesaurus if that one's not to your liking: https://www.google.c…Khurram
- Colins: https://www.collinsd…Khurram
- Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-…Khurram
- Khurram I know you gotta be smarter than this...of course they have different meanings in terms of actual usage.yuekit
- Revolution = democratic mass uprising. Coup = seizure of power by a small group.yuekit
- BTW this video Morningstar posted is a good overview of what's really happening in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - Notice that he criticizes the West as well as Russia, but is clear about Russia being an imperialist, reactionary power.yuekit
- What? Let's confer with the Cambridge English Dictionary shall we: https://dictionary.c…Khurram
- "a change in the way a country is governed, usually to a different political system and often using violence or war:"Khurram
- Democratic mass uprising? The Iranian Revolution? The Russian Revolution? The French Revolution? These are democratic? Don't be StuepitKhurram
- That article I posted is actually a good overview of what is actually happening in Ukraine. Maybe you should actually take the time to read itKhurram
- and learn from the thoroughly researched journalism it presents. Instead of just dismissing it:Khurram
- "All revolutions are are spearheaded by far-right Neo-Nazi groups! This is nothing new!"Khurram
- Yes, it is balanced, it is critical of the West and the East. Maybe you would have noticed that before dismissing it as a "bunch of Marxists"Khurram
- Bunch of Marxists? It's one guy's article carefully presenting the facts sourced from right wing and left wing sources. Balanced account of the complex situatioKhurram
- "It's not Russias affair"? It's not the United States affair either, now is it?Khurram
- I know now you're pretty dumb, actually, I gave you more credit than you deserve.Khurram
- Take note of the US role in this whole affair and the mass disinformation, misinformation and information war spewing out of Washington for the last 2 weeks.Khurram
- And take your head out of your ass.Khurram
- Guess what, no invasion! Guess what else? There's not going to be one! Neither will Ukraine now ever be admitted into the EU let alone NATO. Thanks Biden!Khurram
- And maybe also note how corrupt and authoritarian the incumbent Ukranian President has become before you start championing one particular side in this civil warKhurram
- https://www.kyivpost…Khurram
- https://nationalinte…Khurram
- https://eurasianet.o…Khurram
- https://www.aljazeer…Khurram
- Ah, revolutions are messy comrade! You got to break some yaytsya to make that hrudka!Khurram
- I dismiss it because I'm familiar with Jacobin magazine. I'm not saying they're the worst of the worst but I'd much rather listen to someone who actually livesyuekit
- in Ukraine rather than some Brooklyn hipster socialist :)yuekit
- Notice there is no mention at all in the video I posted of these far-right militias. Not because they don't exist but because they are mostly irrelevant to theyuekit
- larger conflict. It's actually very easy to side with Ukraine -- you just have to agree with the principle that a military superpower shouldn't invade, meddleyuekit
- And note also the Biden family's personal ties to Zelensky's corrupt government: https://www.dailymai…Khurram
- or annex land from its smaller neighbor. Pretty basic stuff really.yuekit
- But keep arguing semantics and the choice of similar words one analyst chooses over anotherKhurram
- Sure there's corruption. Again what's the relevance to the situation with Russia?yuekit
- This is a good (Marxist) analysis of what's actually going on: https://newleftrevie…Khurram
- It's like if we are talking about Israel and Palestine. I'm sure the Palestinian leadership is deeply corrupt, and there are Palestinians with extremist or antiyuekit
- semitic views. I'm still not going to support Israel bombing them or be neutral about it.yuekit
- You posted a video from a development consultant! Wtf is that? LOLKhurram
- You posted this: https://www.youtube.… wtf?? lol What is it? Some kind of quasi-religious illuminati??Khurram
- You want me to listen to YouTubers?? Mate, you might as well post fucking Russell Brand hahahaKhurram
- I'm out, too much for me.Khurram
- Sure let's not listen to the actual people living in Ukraine lol. Ad hom!yuekit
- Russell Brand seems to agree with you on this issue BTW
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - https://www.youtube.…yuekit
- On the "Rebel Wisdom" guy...yeah I agree it's a bit cringey the name of his channel and supernatural iconography. But he actually has some good interviewsyuekit
- like this one. Ultimately I'd much rather listen to someone who is in the middle of the situation, than some ideological publication like Jacobin that is goingyuekit
- to arrive at the same conclusion every time.yuekit