Scottish independence
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- sem0
@Wolfboy
That pretty much sums up a lot of what I've seen online.
"In a more just and democratic future when your grandchildren ask you if you supported the great change what are you going to tell them. That you were scared, that you thought a bunch of self serving Etonian scum seemed like a better choice"
That attitude has nothing to do with what would benefit the economy best, rather just pointless ignorant hatred for the UK and their efforts. Anyone who refers to the Government as Etonian scum clearly forms their opinion of all in the house on the actions of a few.
I'm curious if anything, I'd love to see this superhero government they are expecting to fix everything without any significant learning hiccups on the way.
I'm mostly interested in the new ideas this dream Government have on dealing with Glasgow's crime and addiction rates that no one else would have been trying. Apparently they have the cure for poverty and everything will be so much better so I'm all ears and hoping for the Yes vote.
- maybe they may feel that the problems in Glasgow are related to massively unequal society dreamed up in Westminster. maybe. i don't knowlowimpakt
- maybe, i don't know.lowimpakt
- Great points again. 'Yes' voters seem to think Scottish politicians will be saints...babaganush
- Glasgow population = 500k, London = 8m. Quarter of that 8m in poverty, so 2m yet Glasgow has high crime rates?sem
- lowimpakt0
i can understand the intangible lure of independence.
on the other i genuinely struggle with the idea of people living under a monarchy but I accept that there are intangible aspects to this too.
- rosko_picachu0
102!
- lowimpakt0
NO campaigners
- babaganush0
@rosko Who are 'English' people?...I think you do picture Patrick McGoohan in Braveheart. My folks are from Scotland and Ireland respectively. They came to England as circumstance of work. Like MANY people living in England. Some if whom have a far greater lineage than some who got to vote in the referendum but in your blinkered divisionism, they are English aren't they? Many we're thinking about remaining 'British' not 'English'.
Most of your points seem to insinuate legalised rigging that is just called 'campaigning'...if you didn't get a referendum you would have cried like a baby, you got one and then the political machine went into overdrive in the manner of the most advanced political techniques in modern countries and it came out no...and you are giving NVQ media spin level nonsense based on a 9 year old that listens to their mother, who in turn should feel ashamed because she makes a decision for her child based on what is best in the foreseeable future based on rational argument. Quite a pointless load of words that does a disservice to an actual admirable campaign by the 'yes' voters.Your clearly not advanced enough for political autonomy because you shouldn't hate the 'players' hate the 'game'. Their was quite a bit if utopian speak that seemed to believe politics in Scotland would rewrite centuries if turmoil and deceit...which is just offensively naive
- Babeganush, I salute you sir. I too am from northern heritage yet i'm being called the shitty southerner lolsem
- Cheers Sem. 'Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel' someone said. Where has increased secularism improved the world so farbabaganush
- The world so far?babaganush
- I think there is a big difference between proud as it's and extremist Scots.babaganush
- *Proud Scotsbabaganush
- Exactly, its beyond pride when hate is involved.sem
- Ach, well we'll see what happens. You're naive to believe everything you read in the Daily Mailrosko_picachu
- sem0
"So don't give me that stuff about demographics, we love being who we are and we are no different to anyone else. Just a wee country wanting to look after ourselves and not have to waste money on an elite system with too much bureacracy that wants to flaunt itself as a major player, which i'm afraid it no longer is"
Haha, you basically just said "Don't give me them facts and statistics!" you did see that my points linked to sources right? Please take some time to read them.
As for your World War point of dumping ammo...you poor guys, tell me more about how you suffered in that horrible war.
- hans_glib0
that's just noise created by the uncertainty. nothing is known/certain until the decision is made.
ignore
- sem0
This is interesting
http://www.theguardian.com/polit…Why you ask? well...
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/…Imagine if they were like "Actually, na...we're gonna go back to our Scandinavian ways now thanks"
- oh yeah, and take a shite load of oil with us. That would be a crazy twist.sem
- babaganush0
Scotland even has a high proportion of ageing population (your harassed pensioners) so the referendum allowed for 16 plus populace to vote (not the standard 18). This should have seen a spike in fearless 'yes' voting based on common sense and opinion. But of course they were brainwashed by their parents. Your points are actually hilarious, keep them coming.
- zarkonite0
So how are the votes counted? Is it the total number of votes or is it by district? The BBC is announcing results such as ""No" wins by 10,544 to 9,195." for every area as if it were a winner take all system?
- kingkong0
I always think the daily Mash gets it about right...
SNP leader Alex Salmond has admitted he has never been entirely sure what he means when he says ‘independence’.
Scotland’s first minister revealed he has always thought of independence as a ‘play within a play... within a dream’.
He said: “Well, it’s a concept, it’s an idea, it’s a thing.
“In my mind I see it as a tree in the shape of Scotland. Does that make sense?”
Salmond said the idea of independence involving things like a currency and a central bank, was ‘very left brain’, adding: “How would you even do that?”
He said: “I think once independence is here I’ll have a much better idea of what it is.
“Any other questions?”
- futuremongolian0
well, shite.
- kingkong0
ALEX Salmond has told Ed Miliband to ‘button it’ after the Labour leader tried to expose his epic scam.
Scotland’s first minister insisted he was working a sweet little number and that Miliband was making it hard for an honest thief to earn some scratch.
Salmond said: “I’m in the middle of the greatest long-grift of my life and this guy tries to queer my action.
“I thought we had a code. You see a guy doing a thing and you back off and find your own cheese.”
Salmond’s grift involves promising everyone in Scotland a non-existent oil field and selling them a health service they already own.
He added: “Give a guy some elbow room. I’ve been working these piss-monkeys for years.”
Salmond then put his arm around Miliband’s shoulder and told him to go back to scamming English idiots with the no-cuts fandango.
- detritus0
By your logic, sem, Germany should be free to continually aggregate Herself through population and industrial might, at the expense of all other Euro partners.
That being the case, why on Earth should Italy or Spain be part of the EU? it's certainly not to their advantage or reason.
- yurimon0
I vote for brain cox.
He got the brains and the cox to run Scotland...
- pr20
As if England would let go of things just like that... Please, you have too much faith in the "democratic process." In case you didn't know it's the one counting the votes that's making the call not the people.
- You do know its not over right? they could still win a YES vote. Only the ones with the oil have said NO so far lolsem
- Vague conspiracy theorist alertbabaganush
- As if the people in power would actually let the people decide. Wake up.set
- "conspiracy theory" is claimed in lieu of not knowing how the world actually workspr2
- shaft0
This was war, only the Scottish failed to notice it. The sort of thing that was decided in this referendum used to be decided on the battlefield.
Of course Westminster and Co. used every trick in the book to scare the shit out of pensioners and mums. This is democracy, it's dirty.
http://www.oldfashionedamericanh…Same rules apply.
- Agree. Of course when Scotland had it's own parliament it would have been like a Disney film and changed the world if politics...babaganush
- Behind every invasion rest politicians full of impossible promises for gullible cannon fodder.sem
- kingkong0
ALEX Salmond has finally admitted he hates Scotland and wants the country to be independent so he can abolish it.
The Scottish first minister insisted his fellow countrymen are the worst people in the world who spend most of their time ‘either threatening to kill you, or vomiting on you’.
He said: “I can’t keep lying. It’s a hellhole filled with drunken nutters, ghastly housing estates and food that is simply disgusting.
“I’m going to win independence, bankrupt the place, set fire to the buildings and then move to France – as long there aren’t any Scottish people there.
“I want to leave this place a wasteland, populated only by scavenging piss-artists and thousands of bastard folk singers.
“Now I’ve finally come clean, I suspect I will have the backing of the vast majority of Scots, who all hate each other as much as I hate every single one of them.”
Mr Salmond also revealed he ‘loves the way Vladimir Putin holds ordinary Russians in utter contempt’ and would gladly hand Scotland’s economy to the terrifying president and his gangster cronies.
He added: “All Scottish people are sexual deviants.”
