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- Morning_star4
Yuri
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. you post something about vaccinations within seconds i have found reliable sources that offer evidence that contradict your claims.
Regarding the HPV article, in the comments was this:
1. There were 919 cervical cancer deaths in the UK in 2012.
2. Every one of those deaths were 100% preventable.
3. You are comparing the cancer rates PER YEAR to alleged HPV reactions (which would only happen ONCE, not every year.)
4. If your reported 10% was real then the total number of people having serious adverse reactions out of 100,000 would be more than 30,000 i.e. In every single school of 300 girls that were vaccinated 100 of those girls would have had a "serious" reactionIt seems that, unsurprisingly, the newspaper article is not balanced or well researched. Yet, you are willing to offer it as some kind of credible evidence of conspiracy without any effort to put your claims in context or search out authoritative alternative sources. Its just comes across as myopic, lazy and paranoid. Raise your game.
- so truemonospaced
- I dont see why refer to it as such when my own observation is an increase of people who are getting sick from vaccines. its observable fact.yurimon
- exhibit A. before 2004
no ones children exhibiting side effects after vaccines.
now, people's children exhibiting side effects after vaccines.yurimon - who? how many? even if you're not flat out lying it's hardly enough to discredit vaccinations.scarabin
- IT TOOK 5 SECONDS.
"The MMR vaccine controversy started with the 1998 publication..."Morning_star - it's common knowledge many don't feel well following a flu shot. this isn't cause for alarm.scarabin
- Its not just the feeling well. alot of people develop allergies mostly. Who knows whats up with autism. im not saying vaccines dont work.yurimon
- just something to think about especially whats under reported. its a noticeable number.yurimon
- No it isn't. If you read my initial link to Science Based Medicine it explains ALL of your concerns.Morning_star
- The fact is people can't here evidence or information that conflicts their belief without getting upset. Me included. We have lost the ability to be openHayoth
- And consider we might be wrong.Hayoth
- i hear what you are saying. I am still open to either side i havent made up my mind.yurimon
- Yuri. You a doctor? Where are you observing people getting sick after vaccinations? More anecdotal evidence, eh?ETM
- ********0
- I drink this every fucking day.********
- wrong thread you myopic, lazy and paranoid. Raise your game.yurimon
- You forgot a noun for your adjectives.********
- You stupid cunt.********
- lol, I copied pasted from Morning star. sheep monkey grips.yurimon
- I saw the source, I am not even going to try to explain the difference. Your stupidity is beyond salvation.********
- oh lighten up mr conformist. who cares boot spelling, enjoy yo tea bagging n juice n enjoy yo slavitude.yurimon
- It's not the spelling.********
- is it ego then? you are smarter then me you win. feel better?yurimon
- Keep digging, keep digging!********
- you're calling orazal a conformist?Gnash
- yes, his inner butt conforms to elongated objects very well. heheyurimon
- I drink this every fucking day.
- yurimon-5
ok not every dr agrees with vaccinations. now what..
- holy crap, please don't turn this into your anti-vax thread, it isn't the right place. I suggest starting your own thread on the topic, pleasemonospaced
- i don't trust people who have no upper lip********
- Morning_star4
Yuri
Should we trust these people without question?
Meryl Nass is not an expert in childhood vaccines:
Meryl Nass is a doctor of internal medicine and an expert on bioterrorism, biodefense, anthrax and anthrax vaccine injuries. She has testified before Congress on the subjects of Gulf War illness, anthrax vaccines and bioterrorism. Her blog and anthrax-information websites can be found at AnthraxVaccine.org.Sherri Tenpenny is a fraud:
is an American physician and anti-vaccination activist from Ohio. She has claimed that vaccines cause autism, asthma, ADHD and autoimmune disorders.[1] The author of four books on anti-vaccination, her 2015 lecture tour of Australia was cancelled due to public outcry over her views on vaccination which go against established scientific consensus.Suzanne Humphries is not an expert:
is a nephrologist (kidney doctor. She has written several blog posts and done several podcasts and interviews insinuating that kidney failure is caused by vaccines.[1][2] Humphries uses this purely anecdotal, unstudied, "feeling" of vaccines' role in kidney disease to try and justify why her complete lack of training in any relevant field of immunology or vaccines doesn't disqualify her as an "expert" on the topic.- I wonder about that, same time I think they get traction from people who get damaged from vaccines. the movement in question by itself is not without concernyurimon
- only people i seen start to question is those who suffer after vaccination.yurimon
- you actually know adults who are getting vaccines?monospaced
- did vaccines make you retarded, yuri?scarabin
- lolmoldero
- mostly children, they develop allergies after. some more severe then others. after vaccination. 1 or 2 weeks into it. some recognize the coincidence some dont.yurimon
- i know 1 adult died from flu vaccineyurimon
- children do develop allergies, but you are seeing it as causation when it is ONLY coincidencemonospaced
- everytime after a vaccine? some get asthma... maybe the quality isnt there like used to be.yurimon
- it's not every time you fucknutmonospaced
- ok get tb shot, 1 -2 weeks get allergies or asthma, not everyone but an increasing popullationyurimon
- I don't know where you are getting your info but that's just a flat out lie. There's no indication whatsoever of an increase and you know it.monospaced
- Also if you're so fucking convinced then why do you not know if its allergies or asthma? And is this specific to TB vax or are you just guessing? Dude.monospaced
- No vaccinations here and no allergies :-)formed
- Vaccinations here and no allergies either. Also a significantly higher chance of not dying from polio, so at least theres that. ;)monospaced
- Of course it's OK to not have vaccinations, because you are going to be protected by the vast majority of idiots that do. #sarcasm********
- Sad but true. Also you put everyone else at risk by not being vaccinated.monospaced
- you dont know if thats a true statement. not all vaccines work. example is some vaccines dont contain what they are meant to vaccinated for,yurimon
- scarabin0
- that could be you.yurimon
- could but isn'tmonospaced
- any could be called names. doesnt impress me.yurimon
- nobody's trying to impress you, derpmonospaced
- you know the guy who came up with the law of thermal dynamics. his law took 10 years to become standard. they thought it was crazy,yurimon
- There are 4 laws, and they were discovered by several people over the course of 100 years. Nobody said they were crazy, math supported it 100%monospaced
- the original guy. do some bio research.yurimon
- It's not attributed to an "original guy" that I know of. Lord Kelvin? Carnot?monospaced
- lol @ yuri suggesting he's an undiscovered geniusscarabin
- i love how you demand we do research but you don't even know his namescarabin
- I happen to have studied this extensively at a University, and I can assure you nobody said the laws were crazy in light of evidence.monospaced
- Oh yes they did, I have to find the source. i wont have time to look through it.yurimon
- remember the guy who told doctors that germs create disease? they though he was crazy and arrogant for making drs' wash their hands. cmmon.yurimon
- yeah, science wins in the end. not belief systems like "don't bother washing your hands"scarabin
- Holy shit did you really just make the same reference as in 12 Monkeys? Is your only source of education what you read on the Internet?monospaced
- LOLmoldero
- no the guy who discovered germs. doctors were insulted that they had to wash their hands.yurimon
- Yes. That was Brad Pitts line in the film. Also your argument is really for the vaccination side if this is your example.monospaced
- formed3
This vaccination discussion is a tad more complicated than just "for" or "against". That's like people saying you are 100% democrat or republican, or worse the infamous "if you aren't with us, you are against us".
I am in the "no absolutes" category and believe there is good and bad. Obviously, vaccinations have done wonders as have anti-biotics. But look at a-b's now, walk into a Kaiser waiting room and they have charts everywhere about how the overuse has created an epidemic. Until recently, that was witchcraft/conspiracy thinking.
Then there's the dollars. JNJ just created a ebola vaccine. That's great, but it also means crazy dollars (and their stock shot up when it was announced, which is nice, 'cause I own it ;-) ).
Point being, there is no altruistic vision being done at JNJ, it's about dollars. Flu vaccine had a 23% success rate last year. But the dollars made? Globally $24 billion.
There's also enough cases of horrible side effects. The H1N1 vaccine causing narcolepsy is a pretty large thing to overlook. As an autoimmune disease that is triggered by external events, that suggests other autoimmune problems could be triggered as well.
Like modern medicine vs. acupuncture, etc., there is a place for everything. Whenever there are billions to be made, there's questions to be raised.
Again, no absolutes.
- Agreed. On a case by case basis vaccines/drugs require the highest scrutiny otherwise you get disasters like Thalidomide. However, suggesting that 'Vaccines'...Morning_star
- ...are generically 'Bad' and the distribution is some government control conspiracy is just fantasy.Morning_star
- Not a suggestion. Just seeing more people getting damaged. I'm thinking its a quality issue. seems that they put garbage into the vaccines to get a higheryurimon
- immune response in tests for the fda, I'm sure most of the ingredients are not necessary, like aluminum or mercury. prob a dynamic between fda n big pharmayurimon
- yurimon0
ok so, IT seems that there is discrepancy regarding times of vaccination and natural decline of the disease.
"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles occured before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.
- "...he was harrassed and his methods were disregarded by the authorities, probably because they were too simple, too cheap and too efficacious...monospaced
- ... to fit modem medical standards."monospaced
- Those images are blocked here at work saying they're on something classed as 'Hate' sites. What are they?Ianbolton
- It's an Organite community. Look that up.monospaced
- critical thinking is hate against your slavitude.yurimon
- Cheers Mono. I'll check when I get home.Ianbolton
- ********3
Why are you posting anti-vaccine nonsense in this thread? This is the Science thread. It is meant for science.
- thank you!monospaced
- science is an exploration, so it stays. muy bienyurimon
- i thought you said it was a belief systemscarabin
- No sabía que hablabas español, ahora entiendo porque tienes problemas con el inglés.********
- "Órale"!zenmasterfoo
- portada oy conyoyurimon
- Six-year-old diagnosed with first case of diphtheria in Spain since 1986
http://elpais.com/el…Gnash - "science is an exploration" -yurimon
i'm happy to see our efforts haven't been wasted on you. there's hope for you yet.scarabin - but sometimes its a beliefyurimon
- no, science is a process, only its outcomes are beliefs, but they are at least backed up!monospaced
- Yawn********
- i take it back. you're a lost cause.scarabin
- yuekit0
A semi-functional rat forelimb has been grown in the lab -- and primate limbs are next.
- grow a pair!sarahfailin
- woohoo lab grown chicken wings soon!BabySnakes
- two mice, fall, into a bucket of, stemcells.sarahfailin
- yurimon0
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/20…
Much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue.
- Not surprising that capitalistic pressures would end up distorting the kind of research that is done.yuekit
- scarabin1
- self-contained humanoid robots, manscarabin
- scary cool thread, especially LEO bottom left********
- it almost went in cute of the dayscarabin
- http://cdn.wonderful… robear, cripple lifter upper********
- ********0
For the half-wits that still think vaccines are safe, please do some reading...
"Thousands of teenage girls enduring debilitating illnesses after routine school cancer vaccination"
http://www.independent.co.uk/lif…
"The Vaccine Hoax is Over. Documents from UK reveal 30 Years of Coverup"
http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/10/the-v…
"Is The FDA Being Compromised By Pharma Payments?"
- Wake Up Sheeple!
http://www.qbn.com/t…******** - timelined, by yurimon below
http://www.qbn.com/r…monospaced - Doesnt matter its a serious issue thats a concern especially if you are parent trying to be responsible for the health of a growing childyurimon
- following your orders of what officials tell you is good procedure.yurimon
- What about non-growing children?********
- show me a child that isnt developing.yurimon
- Youmonospaced
- Wake Up Sheeple!
- pablo289
Spain Has First Case Of Diphtheria In 28 Years Thanks To Anti-Vaxxers
http://www.iflscience.com/health…
- detritus3
Bring back Polio!
- Morning_star0
I love this.
Philae comet lander wakes up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scienc…- That is awesome stuff. I hope there's budget to keep exploring, imagine what they can build now, or in 10+ years. Exciting stuff.formed
- formed1
There needs to be more education and studies done. Seems pretty simple to me, but just like GMO's, they are declared "safe" universally and a large fortune spent on lobbying to avoid such studies.
I am sure GMO's can be amazing, like growing in arid climates (maybe Monsanto is causing the drought in Ca?! j/k) and feeding large populations w/ little resources. Sadly, that's not where any effort is, it's on things like making an apple not change color when it's bruised, so we can eat worse apples and think that they are good.
I think everyone would agree that more studies would be prudent, but there's people that bought into the "GMO labeling would cost more", which makes absolutely no sense but people buy it.
Same thing with vaccines. There needs to be transparency and research, there are good and bad.
There also needs to be more research into the onslaught of auto-immune diseases that are spreading rapidly. At least the H1N1 vaccine has been proven to cause an auto-immune disease (narcolepsy), which, to me, would hasten more effort to study other vaccines and the side effects.
- they are amazing, i.e. golden rice:
https://en.wikipedia…
works pretty well it seems, that was +10 years ago.uan - I think gmo should still be in research mode. the pressure for putting $ into RND and haste to cash in the market place is a risk on health.yurimon
- as far as crops, there is more economical ways of adapting droughts or engineering projects make more sense to me.yurimon
- uan - those are isolated tests. What about mutated proteins? There's a lot of side effects we just don't know what they will do down the road.formed
- GMO's are mostly about patents and control, or simply moneyformed
- true^yurimon
- they are amazing, i.e. golden rice:
- Morning_star0
Approved.
- meh, i saw this the other night and thought it was somewhat less than stellar.detritus
- Whatever you think about the film, the science is about as close to reality as our understanding allows. Anything that makes my kids sit comletely engrossed...Morning_star
- ...fot nearly three hours is a winner in my book ;)Morning_star
- dunno, i need to rewatch it, but the relative tidal forces on each of the planets was all out of whack, esp. in relation to proximity of the 'black hole'.detritus
- If you get the time there's an good review from a scientific perspective. http://www.theskepti…Morning_star
- Will give it a listen, ta.detritus
