Star Wars Episode VII
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- autoflavour0
- Rip-off of Scott Johnson's original:
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- Rip-off of Scott Johnson's original:
- autoflavour0
he does have a point..
- We know. Haven't we covered the idea of the recycled plot points already.ETM
- autoflavour1
A classically-trained actor plays a robed wise man on a desert planet. (ANH)
Robed wise man advises a boyish young man. (ANH)
Robed wise man is tragically killed by man in black mask. (ANH)
Information sensitive to the fate of the republic is placed into an adorable droid. (ANH)
A good guy is revealed to be inside a stormtrooper suit. (ANH)
A good guy makes an unlikely friend because he needs a pilot (ANH)
A weakling approaches the man in the black mask with bad news. Man in black mask aggravates throat of weakling carrying bad news. (ANH)
Adorable droid lands on desert planet. (ANH)
A quiet moment serving as a chapter break shows a lowly creature observing action from the ground of a desert planet on the lower left of the screen. (ROTJ)
Adorable droid is obtained by small robed creature for parts. (ANH)
A young, low-income mechanically-minded protagonist obtains droid. Thinks better of selling it after sensing it is important. (ANH)
A career-minded politician with a British accent rivals the man in the black mask. (ANH)
Stormtroopers descend upon desert planet, eliciting flight of main characters. (ANH)
Main characters utilize Han Solo’s ship in order to flee the forces of the man in the black mask. (ANH)
Main characters overcome disgusting beast in first act of movie through cunning use of door (ROTJ)
A giant military orb is revealed. (ANH, ROTJ)
The giant military orb is revealed to have planet-destruction capabilities. (ANH, ROTJ)
Older character informs young protagonist about important character, which is humorously revealed to be an elderly alien with strange manners whose name contains a single-syllable term for a parent. (Maz contains “Ma”/Yoda contains “Da”). (TESB)
Montage of multi-cultural bar with lots of aliens in it enjoying alien music. (ANH)
Elderly alien with strange manners tells protagonist that they have a higher calling. (TESB)
Protagonist follows audio-hallucinations to cavernous locale, where dream-like visions ensue- connecting her fate to the fate of the galaxy. (TESB)
Female protagonist is strapped to torture table, for inquisition. Man in black mask threatens her. (ANH)
A stormtrooper makes an overt security blunder because protagonist’s verbal use of the force (TPM, ANH) / Sudden use of force, to the surprise of the protagonist, to escape 2nd act difficulty. (TESB)
Someone is unexpectedly someone’s father. (TESB)
An exalted master of the dark side of the force administrates via a hologram. (ANH, ESB, ROTJ)
Acrobatic navigation of enemy ship’s mechanical interior (ANH).
Father approaches son on a bridge over a mechanical abyss. (TESB)
The Father-Son relationship experiences a sudden turn, after you think they might be nice to each other. (TESB)
C3PO arm trouble. (TESB)
Light saber falls in snow- to be retrieved from snow by the force. (TESB)
Fire overtakes the land, dramatically moving the earth around. (ROTS)
Male protagonist and fighter pilot friend reunite before deploying to go attack the giant military orb. (ANH)
Giant military orb is destroyed by the concerted aerial battle strategies of a rebellion force. (ANH, ROTJ)
Protagonist and R2D2 fly to remote star system to meet powerful Jedi hermit. (TESB)
Let me know if I missed any.- When in a New Hope did "An exalted master of the dark side of the force administrates via a hologram." ? Just curious.ETM
- Also when in Empire did this happen?
The Father-Son relationship experiences a sudden turn, after you think they might be nice to each other.ETM - Lets be honest... many of these, at their core themes, are the crutch of every story.ETM
- ^ oh ffs - everyones got mass hysteria... Force Awakens is a near remake of A New Hope with some other bits thrown in. It's fact for all to see. I knew he wouldfadein11
- play it safe but how safe he did play it sucks balls. Just caught last half hour of Revenge of the Sith accidentally on TV - it's has a better feel, cannotfadein11
- believe I am saying it. But Force Awakens also feels small and Earth-bound. Nothing out of this world happens.fadein11
- I was kinda surprised when a rather famous character died, maybe just me, but I didn't see that coming and was amazed it wasn't leakedformed
- regarding my posts 3 above - by feel I mean it feels more like Star Wars. The last half hour is actually rather good apart from newly helmetted Vader's outburstfadein11
- You mean that 30 minute saber fight over lava video game sequence? The ridiculous fact that Obi-Wan neither helps nor kills Anakin, but simply...ETM
- leaves him in agony. Because doing one or the other logical thing doesn't allow the character simply to survive and fit the existing narrative.ETM
- lol, yea that noooooo was some baywatch corny shit wasn't it. the prequels were visually far more interesting********
- Or Yoda running like a bitch and becoming useless for no good reason other than to again simply fit into existing narrative?ETM
- On this sir, we must agree to disagree.ETM
- it was a cobbled together mess as well********
- it feels bigger, like an epic. Original trilogy also felt big with no CGI. Some of the sets/planets in epVII feel v.small and all v.earthlike. Not sci-fi enoughfadein11
- hard to explain - it often felt like obvious sets. Look at his Star Trek reboot - doesn;t feel like that at all - good balance between CGI and real.fadein11
- lol at bloggers ranting about it being the same as A New Hope like they are the smartest critic on the planet. It was on fucking purpose retards.inteliboy
- I can't help but think that it's all for the benefit of videogames and merchandise. Mustafar, mygeeto, kamino, falooga etc, were cool as fuck, the new movies********
- Didn't have squat in the way of cool new planetary scenes for the upcoming games. The coolest new shit was the new species introduced in the mos eisley rehash********
- ********1
I love how last week there were so many people on my news feeds bragging about how they wouldn't spoil it for anyone. As though they were some kind of mini-heroes for avoiding the temptation to post details online. (As if anyone even cares to hear their opinion.) Ugh.
Then, three days later, everyone is like, "If you haven't seen it yet, it's your own fault!"
I don't care if it's spoiled for me, but come on, nerds. It's the holiday season and people have lives. It's been less than a week.
If you are spoiling it for people already, you deserve to have it spoiled for you, next time around.
- erm - just say no click on thread. no?fadein11
- this is a ludicrous rant.fadein11
- Ludicrous. It's been 4 days.Al_dizzle
- I love people who purposely join conversations involving spoilers then get upset it was spoiled.ETM
- There shall be no reviews or discussion, online or in-person, until every person has seen the movie.ETM
- ^ lol.fadein11
- just dont click on the thread.. simpleautoflavour
- To be clear: I don't care if it gets spoiled for me. It's just funny how people were bragging about not spoiling, then spoiling a few days later.********
- I was talking about on Facebook, etc, not on specific threads like this one.********
- scarabin0
- Whattttt?!?!?!!!! Noooooooo I love her. Can you imagine? We'll have to see hahahprophetone
- interesting this and confirms what I thought - Disney chopped it down to keep attention span in range of kids. Better link from that:fadein11
- http://www.dailydot.…fadein11
- ETM-1
- ETM0
Based on fadein11's link: http://www.dailydot.com/geek/sta…
"The novelization, unlike the movie, emphasizes Kylo's quest to figure out who Rey is. He can't believe that she's just a random scavenger. When she retrieves Luke's lightsaber with the Force to commence their duel, he mutters to himself, "It is you."
Why was that simply line not in the movie?? A great cliff hanger that would lead into greater fleshing out in the next movies.
- *simple lineETM
- yep - I think the film was heavily chopped to keep it shorter. Which led to some of its flaws.fadein11
- But this would take all of 3 seconds and mean so much! Either they have changed the overall idea that he recognized her, or it was a shite decision to exclude.ETM
- i thought that recognition was addressed by him losing his shit upon learning the droid made it out with the help of "a girl".scarabin
- maybe you interpreted that scene as him just being massively sexist?scarabin
- I thought that too... but it's not clear enough. That simple line would have cemented it.ETM
- i kinda enjoy being teased and wondering about things, figuring things out, as opposed to being beaten over the head by every point but that could just be mescarabin
- while some people are angry that rey's history wasn't outlined it makes me excited because i know it's going to be addressed in future moviesscarabin
- there's a lot of information there and i'd hate for it to just be glossed over in 5 minutes just because people can't deal with mysteryscarabin
- Fair enough, the guy who wrote the novel is the same guy who wrote the alternate timeline novel splinter in the minds eye, which was a good read. Probably gonna********
- Pick up a copy********
- yep - I read that years ago.fadein11
- that sounded smug - meant yes it's cool. May read again actually.fadein11
- Lol, I didn't take it that way********
- @scarabin... it would still be a tease. It would just build the mystery for the audience while we wait, knowing that he did for sure recognize her. That's all.ETM
- Splinter of the Mind's Eye was Lucas' Plan B for a sequel. He instructed the author to keep it small in scale... confined. That was if SW flopped, the optionETM
- for a low budget sequel was still available. The book is really kinda terrible.ETM
- Think so? I thought it was well written. Plotnwise didn't hold a candle to empire trukes back. Kind of like shadows of the empire, loved that book********
- * plot wise********
- The plot... Vader falling in a pit... take your pick.ETM
- You don't need such a simple line when you see all of Rey's actions... why the fuck you need blatant dialogue to understand something so visually clear?PonyBoy
- Rey's actions don't confirm her and Kylo have a past... or that he knows her. Explain how her actions do that.ETM
- Of course they don't "confirm" anything... But it's implied... :-) They obviously have some sort of connection... Yes?PonyBoy
- Again... 2 more Eps to go... Answers are coming... This film is just the setup—be patient!PonyBoy
- No!
*swings poorly conceived light saber wildly destroying the roomETM
- CygnusZero4-1
I'm realizing something about what happened during the writing process. So I just watched that long interview with both of them from this past sunday, and yet again, JJ talked about how he wanted some more details in this movie, but Kasden kept pushing back and making him remove the details, saying things like, "You dont need all that... trust the audience".
I'm sure that was to avoid overly explaining things like the prequels did, but still, there really needed to be sprinkles of more information in this movie. The fact that some aspects of it are literally impossible to understand unless you either read the novel or go on reddit, isnt great movie making to me.
- likely after three movies all these details will fall into place nicely, widened scopeprophetone
- like snape in potterprophetone
- You should ask Disney to let you direct Episode VIII.jtb26
- i have, they said lolprophetone
- Agreed, for example: phasma could have easily said fin was her top cadet and was a natural born leader and skilled soldier. Instead he looks like a washout kid.sofakingback
- CygnusZero40
They really could have cut out the idea of starkiller base being a weapon, Kylo being the main threat in the story, which would have let the movie breathe a little more, and give some quick opportunities to put in just a little more information, and the whole thing would have felt better to me. Starkiller was lame anyway. It wasnt some unique interesting weapon. It was a death star that blew up planets that the movie didnt even explain, so it didnt have the weight that the death star had in ANH. It really feels like it was shoehorned in just to give Poe something to do with the X-wing fleet at the end. It didnt serve any purpose though.
Did Snoke ever even talk about Starkiller base?
- i love that it formed a star itself when it explodedscarabin
- It did?
I thought it was kinda weak too. I hate how they just stroll in, place a few bombs and topple an army. I don't ever know what sk actually killedformed - Yeah all the energy just absorbed from the existing star to fire the weapon lost containment and reignited as a new star.ETM
- Seriously... it blew up THE REPUBLIC HOME SYSTEM. Destroying the government and the Resistance supporters.ETM
- I've read many of your comments and it seems like you were so busy bitchy about the last thing you kept missing the rest of the movie.ETM
- *bitchingETM
- It's purpose, was destroying all the existing governing base creating a great power vacuum for the First Order to fill.ETM
- They literally told the audience that it was the Republic system that was destroyed. In words... on the screen... by characters... played by actors...ETM
- Those last comments being directed at @CygnusZero4 for clarity.ETM
- Even with the base destroyed, they accomplished their primary goal. They just failed to destroy the system the Resistance was using as their base of operations.ETM
- Beeswax0
What I get from this is, all Jedi's have to be killed because their offsprings always cause the biggest trouble.
#HumansAgainstJedis
- PonyBoy6
good fucking grief at the LOT of you...
I just watched this film w/my wife... there are next to no unanswered Q's that i don't see being explained over the next 2 films... as for not liking this film... your heads are up your collective wish-you-were-intellectual-for-h... asses...
... this movie was simple fun setting us up for more fun / info / story w/the next Eps...
good stuff, JJ and crew... thank you!!... the rest of you... FUCK OFF... it's a dumb sci fi film ffs... grow up :)
- ...-for-hating-on star-wars...PonyBoy
- down voting cuz you can't understand such easy story telling? are you all that 'in need' of having your dicks perfectly rubbed? c'mon... it's a SIMPLE film!!PonyBoy
- I just have opinions on how it could have been a lot better and perhaps more creative/original with it's storytelling. Some real dross in it.fadein11
- I was the person probably most vocal and excited about this film so do you honestly think I wanted to be disappointed. I had a lot of faith in JJ.fadein11
- I hear you fadein... I guess the hate and disappointment in the thread far-exceeded reality (to me)... this film was GREAT... just simple fun. :)PonyBoy
- retain your faith, dude... it's only FILM ONE!!! He's got more coming... hang in there.PonyBoy
- Yep - watching it again this eve - with my 9year old... so I am going to try to leave my critical head out of it.fadein11
- CygnusZero42
Watched it for a second time last night. The movie moves a little slower the second time so thats good, its still super brisk though with very little time to breathe.
Still have most of the same problems though. Snoke is super corny and feels like a Harry Potter villain. Should not have been CGI. Idk how theyre going to make this ugly cgi villain work in 2 more movies where he will need to be featured a lot more, especially in a saber fight with a real human.
Some of the dialogue is lame as fuck. At the end in the forest, and Kylo is like "this isnt done". Dude is not a great actor lol. He's just kinda meh in this movie. I still would have preferred them to keep his mask on. As soon as it comes off it pulls me out of the movie. Major overacting at times by the black dude. Turns all ghetto on Phasma and Im like, come on man, this is star wars, not sister act 2.
- can you please shut up now, we get it.
you don't like it. you are probably in shock after spending the most part of the year in eager anticipation.Bluejam - the disappointment will pass.
Happy christmas!Bluejam - don't be so hyped next time, less dissapointmenternexbcn
- Seeing it again in 3 hours Cyg - really hoping I like it more. The fools don't realise how disappointed we are ha. I was so excited for months :)fadein11
- So it seems everyone here generally liked it, even for its flaws... except CygnusZero4 and fadein11.ETM
- ^ not a big fan of what borderline felt like a made for tv movie at times.CygnusZero4
- put any star wars movie under this kind of scrutiny and it will "suck"scarabin
- in epIV yoda didn't look any more real than snoke, luke shouldn't have been named "skywalker", and he shouldn't have been "hidden" on anakin's homeworldscarabin
- the dialogue was clumsy, leia was an empty, lifeless shell of a character, the stormtroopers were slapstick buffoons... i could go onscarabin
- @scarabin don't you start on the original trilogy, they're sacred :-PBluejam
- yeah, their flaws are forgivable because they were fun. TFA is also a fun movie. it just seems like folks are nitpicking it like it's citizen kane or somethingscarabin
- yeah honestly, I just finished watching ROTJ last night, absolutely ridiculous, from acting to effects to story to costumes, it makes TFA look like godfather 2_niko
- Sister act 2.. LOL.. goldautoflavour
- I agree mostly but it's not like they'll have a hard time making snoke fight with a lightsabre********
- @scarabin Don't get me started on Citizen Kane! :)ETM
- lolscarabin
- All the movies had bad dialogue. Leia and Han talking about scoundrels as if they're in a Clark Gable movie. Hayden Christian's lines were notoriously bad.CyBrainX
- I think this movie had less issues with dialogue. I just think it was a little slow in the first half. I was a little bored before Han showed up.CyBrainX
- it's a remake of star wars 1977.
38 years later. 2h of joy in 2015.sandpipe
- can you please shut up now, we get it.
- _niko0
throwing this out there, but since snoke was a giant hologram maybe he looked cgi on purpose and that when we see the real him he will be different or more real, sort of like OZ. I think this is a plausible explanation since he did seem unnecessarily out of place with the rest of the movie
- Agreed I feel like the problem was it was a good hologram instead a crap jitty R2D2 one, so it ended up looking like cgiprophetone
- A simple fix would've had those bros arriving and standing there, then the dude gets projected so we kno that he's a hologram out of the gateprophetone
- Also, add grain n have it jitter and lose color a bit to get that point across, was too clean, now everyone confused, enragedprophetone
- and the other thing... all i kept seeing was gollum, dude needed a helmet or cloak or something, a beer hat?prophetone
- that was done on purpose though, small twist to make you think he really was that big.OP31
- but yea, Snoke was the only real disappointment i had. He could of been coolerOP31
- i just don't like CGI characters in general. I'm all about puppets and makeup haOP31
- CygnusZero4-4
^ I knew WHY snoke was bigger and cgi. JJ said they couldnt do that face or head with prosthetics, so he is CGI for good. Making him bigger was just the hologram so he would look powerful.
Thats not my problem with him. Its how shitty he looked. It stood out so much among actual humans. Very clearly looked fake and looked like it could have been in Lord of the Rings.
Someone else made the point that he doesnt fit in Star Wars, and I argued with it BEFORE seeing the movie saying theres no real limits to the designs in SW, but I didnt realize he wasnt talking about the design itself. It really did look so out of place in this movie.
- They had holograms of darth maul, and he looked tiny, but still way more intimidating bc he was an actual human.CygnusZero4
- He stood there like a badass with his arms folded and said nothing. Way cooler than snoke.CygnusZero4
- twas me, I'm upvoting you!spl33nidoru
- jtb261
There's so much to actually love about this film I can't believe some of the bitching.
Rey was a tremendous character. Ridley did a fantastic job. I bought into her 100%. Can't wait to watch her progress into a total badass. I expect her story will mirror luke's a little and I'm fine with that. She'll have a more believable reason to struggle with her training because she literally ask for the responsibility that I think we can expect Luke to thrust onto her. Will someone lose a hand? Probably. It's a trope I'm ok with because the actress is killing it and that's fun to watch.
Poe was really fantastic as well. A fitting addition to the films. He really helped endear Fin to the audience when there's not much reason to like his character. We get to see Fin aspiring to someone. It was a pleasurable character arc that made for great moments in the film.
The StarKiller base I could care less about. I didn't feel like they spent a whole lot of time on it anyway. It was more or less a convenient plot device that served as a backdrop to a more personal story. Just like expository military speech that summed up galactic politics instead of the drawn out parliamentary procedural we got in the prequels.
Abrams gave the film a fantastic look and really championed artful film making. The only aspect I thought was weak Han's smuggler ship with the awful CG monsters. Would have been a better scene if it was more like the hidden creatures of the compactor scenes - but it's a Disney flick so what would you expect?
There are certainly some things to pick at. Rylo Ken is a bit disappointing, but I'm still interested in his story. It's way more fun to be excited about what was good about the film. I lowered my expectations going in and found I was rewarded with something that wasn't as awful as Star Trek into Darkness which should have felt like the Hunt for Red October and not some dorky nostalgia trip.
- *didn't askjtb26
- i really liked how the kylo is han and leia's son reveal unfolded. first with kylo's family being mentioned, then that he's han's son, and finally that leia isscarabin
- his motherscarabin
- I like your take on POE and how he helps us follow Finn and his development.dorkKn1ght
- Some decent points made here********
- Rey was an awful actor. Utterly awkward and unbelievable.********
- ^Not entirely awful. Though, there were moments of her acting that made me want to stand and throw my raisinets into the face of the person next to me.futurefood
- Moments of acting that make you want to throw raisinets into people's faces accounts for awful acting in my book...********
- whatever the fuck raisinets are********
- You're bonkers.jtb26
- She fucking adorable. That's all I care. Will totally think about her 4 times a day.pango
- She's such a innocent lovable character. Representing hope I would say. And fins represents redemption. To right the wrong his side did.pango
- fadein112
Yep - just watched for 2nd time - it's much better watching it twice.
Some of the plot problems and poor dialogue/acting really didn't bother me as much this time round.
Poe is a great likeable character.
There are still problems with it but a solid start and you can see how it will get better with each episode hopefully.
Just wish they hadn't chosen to do another Death Star and some other bits which were lame.
A high 7/10.
Also great watching with your child.
I think my issues with it were like I originally said partly due to watching it at 1am when exhausted from work.
Also interesting some of the nuances I didn't notice which will clearly become more important in the next episode.
Phew - bit of a ramble but so pleased I liked it more 2nd time.- I think the screen I watched it on 2nd time was better also - felt way more visually impressive this time round.fadein11
- http://i.imgur.com/R…Bluejam
- ^ lolfadein11
- hahainteliboy
- autoflavour0
no, this is racist..
