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- BarryEvans0
It's a bit more than just 'learning after effects' it's understanding pacing, timing, layout, typography, asset management, project workflow e.t.c.
That example piece probably went through a load of iterations to get everything to flow just right. I often get clients asking for quotes to recreate something, not understanding the amount of work that goes into building a well paced animation.
- technosoul0
it's fairly standard stuff, if you're a pro with a few years experience.
Highly unlikely you'll nail this as a novice right out of the gate though. AE takes a few weeks just to get you're head around the interface.- You'll learn much faster if you are familiar with Photoshop's layers modes, masks, adjustments and styles.CyBrainX
- pepe0
do not do a course. hire an expert. it will save you headache and stress.
- vaxorcist0
client project? or a test on your own?...
- vaxorcist0
if cost is a consideration, rather than purely pleasing stakeholders and making something beautiful, I would:
1. try to make sure you start with the cleanest cut of a series of timed talking head video clips carefully edited to their exact soundbites, shot in the same studio with same mic,etc....
2. get a strong understanding of who can really decide and what their hot buttons are, what they love/fear and how to make sure they feel respected
3. make an agreement that you will do 3 versions they pick one, that's it... and you have enough time to do it in without any new stuff being added during that time
4. make an agreement that you can "invent" something if you can't get footage liscenced for that particular section in time and on budget.
good luck!
- DaveO0
Heard a few people say how simple this looks but if i was freelancing it'd be no less than $10k for sure. "I'm not sure I like how that moves, can we change it x 10000"
- vaxorcist0
was all the audio recorded in the same way / room / mic? if not, add $$$ for audio sweetening and trying to make the sound consistent, unless you really want it to be different....
- vaxorcist0
Looking at the imagery, it seems there are probably a lot of possible slight changes that could have been done any number of ways...
...babaganush's got an insight here...
for motion video, the rate depends a huge amount on the guessed-number of revisions and number of people who may suddenly have randomly different opinions.... i.e. can you make this go up in stead of down, wait, suddenly the next thing seems out of sync, can you make the next one go left instead of right, oh I see, you've setup a pattern here and client just asked for something that messed up that pattern.. do you start with a new pattern? do you try to keep the pattern but shoe-horn in the client idea? do you value continuity?
- itemize 3 rounds in your estimate and a per cost for each additional.CyBrainX
- nylon0
Babaganush - fair comment...
Is it worth spending $1000 on an 18 hour course with Noble Desktop in NY and do it ourselves or is this happy thinking?
- babaganush0
As above. Who is the end client, what I it for? How many stakeholders? I there an agency intermediary? Simple jobs can be stealth loss-leaders due to tiers of sign off, delays that are unbilled. Client stakeholders and agency partners (often well remunerated) can add infinite headache...let alone time wasters who call companies with no intention of commissioning but eat into their overheads. How much is a designer worth? (same type of open-ended question).
- < not meant to sound bitter but offer some insight from another perspective :)babaganush
- nylon0
Stick a zero on moulderos cost!!!!!!!
- CyBrainX0
^ Good points Pepe, I would have said $10k based on how effort much I would put into it. When I saw that I had a lot of ideas that I would have added to make it better. Maybe I'm supposed to go by that project's work ethic as a standard but I hope not. If the footage isn't provided and licensed which I'm sure it would, you'd be crazy to not specify that the cost for that is on them.
- ahli0
Would it be tricky to get the footage licensed from the NFL?
- pepe0
anywhere from 10k to in upwards of 50k depending on if the footage is locked down, if theres an edit and script to work from for titles. Is there a project manager involved to manage revisions? tape layoff etc. Anyone that suggests you can bang this out in 4 days might be right from a labor perpsective but would be foolish to think it would go that smoothly. Also do you need to key out the footage? go thru a design phase etc. If its for nfl direct then they prob have the footage licensed but getting them to access/find what they wont is a whole other story, plus getting it all at once is quite unlikely. Pad yourself cost wise. All the logistics and tracking down of assets is where the higher cost will come into play labor wise, not the after effects work.
- Douglas0
if i were a freelancer and just animating it (footage provided), $2750
if i were a company and had to arrange the shoot, $10k+
- randommail0
oh brother
- Miguex0
you won't have a standard price on something like this, there's so many factors involving budgeting a project, without even looking at the video I can tell you that 2 of the most important factors are:
1) Who is is for?
2) Who is producing the project.I'm sure my price will be pennies compared to what a big agency will ask for, someone said 2 grands 4 days, sounds like a pretty standard day rate job, if you are a freelancer. If you go to a big agency in downtown with more than 50 employees and the client is a big company, chances are that they won't even touch it for anything under 50k
- yupmoldero
- Wise words from a motion man! :)Hombre_Lobo
- I think this goes for pretty much any project not just motion ;)Miguex
- moldero0
they have overhead
- nylon0
Just interested... 3 companies have come back with 3 completely and outrageous costs...
- probably not specific enough in your RFQd_rek
- whats the most expensive.. just out of curiosityautoflavour
- you get what you pay for.Douglas