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- LOKi0
My response from Canada. Please download, print, and share widely:
http://lokidesign.net/2356/2011/…- good initiative Loki. i was thinking of doing the same thing. felt too depressed to do much yesterday though.isakosmo
- jon_d0
his death is on the witnesses that sent him away, nothing more, nothing less. dont make this more than it is. happens everyday in the us of a.
- popfodders0
who?
- i_monk0
Wow. I just heard about this yesterday. Shameful state your country is in, executing people.
*adds Georgia to the list of places to never, ever, visit*
- amazing how you group everyone in Georgia with loving executions. Hilarious...popfodders
- Did no such thing, but don't let that stop you.i_monk
- Executions are necessary. And BTW noone lives in Canada by choice.CygnusZero4
- HA HA Canadapopfodders
- No one lives in Canada by choice? Shit, these types of threads really bring out the intellectuals.ETM
- d_gitale0
cygnus, popfodders, do you think there has ever been a case of someone being wrongly convicted and therefor executed ?
popfodders: surely, there has
so, let alone all other arguments mentioned before (morally, financially) how can you support capital punishment if you know that it has cost completely innocent people their life and will continue to do so ? Would like to know, if you were wrongfully convicted and about to be executed, how you would feel about it.
I am not talking about the troy davis case specifically as I do not have enough insight to how the decision was made. Maybe he did it, I have no idea.
I just oppose the idea of killing in general, including by the state.- because 99.9% of the time, the courts get it right, that's how I rationalize it, if you must know...popfodders
- i would like to see how your opinion changes when you find yourself being one of the 0.01%d_gitale
- I'd like to see how your opinion changes if your mother was raped and murdered.popfodders
- i am not saying that i would be full of hate, but that is my personal emotion, we are talking about institutional punishment hered_gitale
- *would notd_gitale
- CygnusZero40
There is a judicial system for a reason, it's the best possible way to handle crimes.
Ok so you get a cop that's killed in a very public area, right across the street from a burger king in a parking lot.
There's a bunch of people around that witness this. Many of them willingly come forward, you know, since a cop cant hold a gun to someones head and tell them to be a witness. There is not a single thing a cop can do to force a civilian to do this.
ALL of them point out Troy Davis as the shoot, who oh by the way was already a known criminal, who already shot someone, using the same caliber bullets found at the scene of this crime.
He goes on trial, these witnesses testify, and the accused to found guilty and sentenced to death. Years later, YEARS after the incident, some of them arent sure it was him. Well they sure as fuck were sure the DAY after this happened. Well the trial is over, he was convicted. This is how it works. There is no better way to deal with crimes.
Im pretty sure if there is a murder, and Im nearby but didnt do the shooting, im not going to have MULTIPLE random civilians saying it was me.
This asshole did it. Name me a lot of executions where they really werent sure if the person did it. There actually isnt all that many. Im sure it's happened, we all know that some people have been wrongfully executed, but I really dont see this as being one of those cases due to the amount of random people that said he did it.
There is nothing a cop can do to force someone to say something against their will. What was he going to shoot them? Blackmail them? Threaten to rape them with an electric rod? That's ridiculous. The mod forces people to say things in court they shouldnt, not cops. There is no police force in the US so corrupt from top to bottom that news of forced testimonies wouldnt get out.
This shit is clearly being made up by people against capital punishment. Sorry this asshole deserved to die. He wasnt some upstanding citizen leading a normal life, he was not only a known criminals, but someone who had already fucking shot people before.
- The more you write, the more stupid you sound.Fax_Benson
- exactly Cy, the same old story> "This is wrong!".... well show me a better system to use then?popfodders
- Blah blah blah .. I just took a huge dump, and feel 4 pounds lighter.
Now where's the plunger?Ramanisky2
- dyspl0
d_gitale I just have a question, not really regarding the pro/anti death penalty but your particular argument above. I get the horrible idea of killing an innocent. I really do. But something bugs me here : capital punishment should end because of wrongfully convicted people. But then what about life sentence, or even any sentence?
I don't think you can base your argument upon the possbility of convicted innocents, since the justice is based on the idea that the final judgment is right. no?
btw : I'm an anti death penalty eurofag, as cygnus describes us :)
- ukit0
If someone is wrongly convicted and sentenced to life, at least they have their whole life to disprove the charges and win some sort of compensation for what they suffered through.
So actually this is a pretty good argument against the death penalty because it is the only kind of punishment with that kind of irreversibility.
- and that happened on numerous occasions, for those wrongly executed there is no returnd_gitale
- popfodders0
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Moot!That makes no sense ukit, he WAS convicted in a state that does hand out death sentences. He should have thought about that before he started shooting the cop. He had already dodged another shooting conviction it appears.
All this BS about the jury being threatened by cops, yeahhhhhh right, what a crock of crap. More liberal BS being shoved down your throat, keep drinking that blue kool-aid though, stay strong.
Let's face it, the guy was a complete scumbag who had a history of being a complete fuck-up inh the first place. It made it even easier on the jury to convict his dumb ass. Stop looking at the nerdy glasses and gentle facial features and the fact that he, according to the liberal media, is a black man under persecution. All of the evidence points towards this asshole.
*cough
- you didnt get it, I mentioned that this argument might not be valid in this case, I dont know. And ukit did not refer to that case either in his last postd_gitale
- his last postd_gitale
- he did it, he's dead, done.popfodders
- do you actually read the posts you are answering to ?d_gitale
- No cause he is a giant illiterate cunt.Ramanisky2
- Fax_Benson0
He may be a scumbag - you don't know and it isn't relevant. He didn't dodge another shooting conviction, he wasn't convicted of it. Of this crime, you can't cry "he was convicted - end of story" and then say that he should have been convicted of another crime that he wasn't. You've had a cursory glance at the details of the case and decided he's guilty. Witnesses involved in the case have suggested that he isn't. He may well be, but some people find it difficult to justify execution if there is the slightest doubt. It's not an unreasonable position to take.
Regarding intimidation by police to pinch this guy - why is it so unfathomable that it might have happened? Police like getting results. They don't like unsolved murders. They had a suspicion that this guy might have been involved in a previous incident. They might have had reason to believe that he was a scumbag. The people involved in the trial clearly aren't the most reliable or they wouldn't have changed their stories. Given the choice of saying 'it was this guy' - or having their lives temporarily fucked up, who's to say they didn't pick him for the sake of an easier life? To most sane people it's worth finding out, regardless of opinion on the death penalty.
- what is it you think they did to intimidate the witnesses and / or jury?popfodders
- what's your suggestion for a better system to use then? protocol is protocol.popfodders
- would you feel the same way if he had murdered your brother or friend? Now would you..?popfodders
- if you're so buff on legal knowledge pop, you would know that hypotheticals don't exist in law.doesnotexist
- hey popfodders, the U.S. judicial system does not exist for one's personal revenge.randommail
- if your brother is murdered, convict the actual criminal, and then serve justice. Not revenge.randommail
- Seek harmony and progress in society, not simply retribution.randommail
- would you feel the same if Troy Davis was your bother? People are changing their stories? Fuck it, kill him anyway.Fax_Benson
- sorry bro, protocol is protocol.Fax_Benson
- that's the most ignorant statement i've seen on here. protocol is protocol if you're in a dictatorship. this is a democracy...doesnotexist
- democracy therefore people can change things based, for one, seeing the justice system is maybe wrong in killing people.doesnotexist
- Supreme Court took a look at it, realized there was no need to interject. Case closed, literally.popfodders
- doesnotexist0
i think it's important to not the proverb that keeps being passed around in its entirety is:
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
i don't think anyone has the right to take another's life even though they may have done so. two wrong's don't make a right. i feel we could come to a better solution without more killing. perhaps by excluding them from society, kind of like in judge dredd where they're thrown out of the city -- NOT how they were judge/jury/executioner. although that's pretty sweet for the movies.
- Ramanisky20
Abolish the death penalty ffs .. End of thread!!!
RIP Troy Davis
- popfodders0
I'm sure the victim's family feel at ease now. Bye bye.
- if you've been watching the news as of late you would see that this doesn't actually bring close to victims' familiesdoesnotexist
- locustsloth0
In one, very specific, way i agree with Cygnus. It's over and done. Can't bring him back regardless of the recantations or whatever.
Probably a better use of the energy displayed in this thread to look for other cases where the guilt/evidence/eyewitness testimony is thought to be in question and bring as much attention to those stories as was/is being brought to Davis's before it gets too far gone to help.
R.I.P. all the dead people
- RIP, all the murderers? Are you fucking kidding, I hope they are suffering in the afterlife.popfodders
- come on, pf, don't be an idiotlocustsloth
- Ramanisky20
Popfodders you're a disgrace to the human race jump into a live volcano already. And take Cygnus with you. Thanks, we all appreciate it.
- Cygnus would just dispute the degree to which the volcano was 'live' and cite better volcanoslocustsloth
- hey, watch it. cygnus doesn't pay his good tax dollars to facilitate semi-live volcanosFax_Benson
- Suck a cock Ramanisky2popfodders
- Such a homophobeRamanisky2
- And a giant dry cuntRamanisky2
- Ramanisky, you're such a dry-cunt-aphobelocustsloth
- popfodders0
reminds me of:
in theory good to save him, but he was guilty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dea…)
Matthew Poncelet (Sean Penn) has been in prison six years, awaiting his execution by lethal injection for killing a teenage couple. Poncelet, located in the Louisiana State Penitentiary,[1] committed the crimes with a man named Carl Vitello (Michael Cullen), who received life imprisonment. As the day of his execution comes closer and closer, Poncelet asks Sister Helen to help him with a final appeal.
She decides to visit him, and he comes across as arrogant, sexist, and racist, not even pretending to feel any kind of remorse. Instead he affirms his innocence, insisting it was Vitello who killed the two teenagers. Convincing an experienced attorney to take on Poncelet's case pro bono, Sister Helen tries to obtain life imprisonment for Poncelet. Over time, after many visits, she establishes a special relationship with him. At the same time, she gets to know Poncelet’s mother (Roberta Maxwell) and the victims’ families. The families don’t understand Sister Helen's efforts to help Poncelet, claiming she is "taking his side." Instead they desire "absolute justice," namely his life for the lives of their children.
Sister Helen’s application for a pardon is declined. Poncelet asks Sister Helen to be his spiritual advisor through the day of execution, and she agrees. Sister Helen tells Poncelet that his redemption is possible only if he takes responsibility for what he did. Just before he is taken from his cell, Poncelet admits to Sister Helen that he killed the boy and raped the girl. During his execution, he appeals to the boy's parents for forgiveness and tells the girl's parents he hopes his death brings them peace. Poncelet is then executed and later given a proper burial. The murdered boy's father attends the ceremony and begins to pray with Sister Helen, ending the film.
- Ramanisky20
Hey .. No more deatth penalty.
Abolish it now.. Not tomorrow.. Now!!!