Boehner quits debt talks
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- vaxorcist0
The Tea party and Republican Primary voters have their party in a bind.... house Republicans who "compromise" in any way with the democrats will face a well-funded tea-party supported primary challenger... and get called a "RINO" by the hard-liners....
So,they're blocked into an all-or-nothing way of things....
but of course, they only control the house, not the senate or the white house....
Republican primary voters are getting more and more conservative, resulting in nominating EIPO candidates... i.e. Electable in Primary Only, i.e. they nominate candidates who can't win general elections.... this is true in many places, but unfortunately not in large areas of the more and more rabid red states....
- zaq0
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- instrmntl0
- someone had to do itinstrmntl
- Is anyone under 40 going to get this?TheBlueOne
- Who cares, they're all fucked now anyway. Lowest wages for 100 years, priced out of healthcare, no soc sec. Shame.mikotondria3
- miko..I was talking about the Boner reference. Why so serious?TheBlueOne
- hehe, richard stabone. his dad's name is sylvester. sylvester stabone, who knew!johnny_wobble
- ukit0
So it looks like the deal Boehner is insisting on has to raise the debt limit in two stages, one in the middle of the 2012 election.
This is similar to the McConnell proposal which would give Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling himself, and then allow Republicans to vote against it, during the election.
- mg330
Boehner hates Obama, and hates Democrats, and just wants his moment in the speaker's chair to show that he's powerful. He'll walk away from any feasible deal just to show that. T-minus a few cable tv interviews and counting before we get to see his orange ass fake cry again.
- Not sure anyone in Washington hates anyone else, they're all in the same club...TheBlueOne
- ..however Boehner is being pushed by the retards in the Tea Party to do this or else be voted outTheBlueOne
- Of course, if anyone in Washington had principles or balls...ah, why bother...TheBlueOne
- dbloc0
you think Boehner and Weiner are friends?
- TheBlueOne0
I'm fairly confident after reading the work of a couple of respected Constitutional scholars that their are at least two sections of the Constitution that deal with the guarantee of the US debt. The US debt is guaranteed in two - TWO - sections of the US Constitution - in Article 1 of the original document and again clearly in the 14th Amendment (section 4). This "debt ceiling" is frankly unconstitutional - it's a Congressional restriction not grounded in the text of the Constitution.
I find it interesting that Obama, being the "Constitutional scholar" that he is, isn't taking this tack. He even came out and said that his lawyers said it wasn't a viable option, which he said he "agreed" (sidenote: executive counsel also said he was on flimsy Constitutional ground with the Libya situation, but he said, paraphrasing "sometimes you have to avoid legalities to do the right thing." hmmm. I see).
My hunch is that the discussion really revolved around that the debt ceiling is in fact unconstitutional but Obama's Admin didn't want to take the chance of having that case heard by this uber-rightwing Supreme Court who I am 100% certain would rule against Obama no matter what the Constitution and precedence says - and that's primarily why Obama isn't taking unilateral Executive action on it.
- caput580
just it's supposed to, capitalism is eating itself.
- TheBlueOne0
I'm curious as to why this wasn't a burning issue when the GOP held the presidency and both houses of congress in the last decade. They had ample opportunity to deal with the debt ceiling, but they just raised it 5 times without anyone noticing during that period. But no, it's so suddenly important that they're willing to take the US to the brink of financial ruin?
</sarcastic point>
- Horp0
I'm surprised nobody's made a joke about how hard that Boehner is.
- SteveZissou0
I'm taking Mandarin lessons...
- mikotondria30
What bunch of fucking cunts they are.
- JSK0
dont forget, GOP wants obama to fail at something really big for 2012.
- Boz0
it is.. and that's what GOP most likely wants. For him to do it himself and when everything goes to shit anyways because I think US is in so much shit right now that it's going to be impossible to get out of that debt and collapse, they want him to do it himself and raise the debt ceiling carrying all the consequence.
That's what GOP most likely wants, they want him to use the 14th amendment right and since there's no way out to raise the debt ceiling himself.
They are a bunch of scumbags who know how to play this very well.
- JSK0
TBO
isnt the rule set by a constitutional act which enables treasury to spend with in the bounds that is noted?
if it was a legislative guideline, it wouldn't need congressional vote to raise it? In addition, because of it's constitutional nature it is not easy for the president to override it, even through he can challenge it by declaring unconstitutional?
- Boz0
It's not about these corrupt criminal GOP guys.. it's the people in this country that are completely misguided and lack basic critical thinking
Here's proof:
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2067…
- JSK0
oh harry potter video game
- ItTango0
@eieio (this will be ham-handed but...)
US economy heads off in the wrong direction as it allows a full 70% of manufacturing jobs to head of to so-called 3rd word countries. The effects of this take a while to manifest, so no one pays attention.Fast forward: George W. Bush gives a fat assed tax break to the wealthy, while diving head first into 2 wars. Simultaneously, there is rabid investment (including pensions, 401ks, and the likes) in a "Housing Bubble" which eventually popped, and created a catastrophic fiscal black-hole which gets filled up by the government with money they didn't really have to spend... 'cause of the wars and tax cuts.
General flow of loot comes to a stand still, businesses downsize, or disappear, unemployment skyrockets.
Usually, the government would jump in with a spending bill (jobs bill) to jump start things, but the unusual circumstances leading up to this have made that impossible. Government is nearly broke and has bills to pay, which means we must take on more debt (selling bonds and so on) to raise the scrilla and make the payments.
This brings us to the debt ceiling. Raising it has been, for the most part, a matter of course. But the political climate has turned this simple act into a the pawn from hell.
Children are at the table, and well...