Freehand users sue Adobe
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- _me_0
I still use freehand every day [ even use fh8 keyboard commands ]
- zoozoo0
So Adobe ended up taking the intellectual property rights and engine to freehand and doing nothing with it? Someone could back-engineer an older version of freehand at anytime then.
[then again freehand tech could be adding to illustrator features]
- ill ustrator's already bloated, we don't need more features, we need it faster and cleaner.. like Freehand(!)
vaxorcist
- ill ustrator's already bloated, we don't need more features, we need it faster and cleaner.. like Freehand(!)
- animatedgif0
^ Good point, when Flash CS5 can't even open a Flash CS5.5 file then it's already a fucking shambles.
UI Designers should definitely be checking out Sketch
http://www.bohemiancoding.com/sk…- wow...maybe that's the real reason flash is dying....vaxorcist
- vaxorcist0
LOVED freehand.... I used to teach as an adjunct in 3 different art colleges... students could learn freehand fast, but illustrator had a really annoying learning curve and very strange error messages...
The last version of freehand was actually freely distributed by adobe, but won't run on newest mac OS....Rosetta mess....
FUCK ADOBE, I'd like to see this lawsuit mess them up
- they don't even have to respond to the lawsuit!monospaced
- and good luck with that anyway, they have less than $10,000 to take Adobe on at this pointmonospaced
- yes... largely symbolic... the fuck you factor is pretty much it... but maybe a smart lawyer can freak out adobe....vaxorcist
- yeah, good luck, the approach feels childish and ungrounded in actual lawmonospaced
- are you a lawyer now monospaced?Amicus
- no, but i did go to law schoolmonospaced
- mekk0
Blizzard needs competition too..
no, srsly i´m good with adobe software, very good. just like most of you its my daily driver and their products are the industry standard. when industry changes, standards change! so dont just do your job like a remote-controlled workzombie - watch your industry and keep up to the latest products.
for example: keep an eye on "mobile" - by now not ruled by anyone!
- animatedgif0
No idea why they don't just open source the parts they own.
Probably because they're greedy fucks and scared it could take $$$ away from Illustrator.
- pillhead0
I was just reading about the law suit on Adobe for Freehand, I would love to see the app come back to the market place, I for one thought it was mush easier to use then Illustrator. And yes, Adobe do have a Monopoly in are industry which is just plain wrong.
- ian0
Well I still remember the switch from Quark to Indesign. For that alone I'd let the CEO of Adobe fuck me without buying me dinner first.
I can fully see the issue with multiple programmes doing the same thing, a PDF for print is great but if you have to work on the source files and its in another programme you've got to either buy & learn that prog to make the changes or re-do it in the format you're familiar with and hope the client doesn't need it in the other format you haven't made the changes in.
That being said, competition is a good thing. Keeps the applications lean and useful and not bloated to fuck with useless shite. But what the fuck do I know, I'm still using CS2.
All I can say is, fuck you Quark. Fuck you.
- quark 3.2 was great... quark began to suck when the bloated it up with useless shite later...vaxorcist
- animatedgif0
"you use "adobe InDesign", they prefer "Anomee OnDesign" which renders, let it be only drop shadows (or some other minor detail) differently... you‘d be fucked"
3D industry manages to cope fine, 5/6 different packages and then on top of that you have different render engines.
Tend to think lots of designers are just lazy fuckers
- faxion0
Too little, too late I'm afraid.
My beloved Freehand is about to "draw" it's last breath.
- pressplay0
I‘m with fyoucher1 here. Maybe the reason - to begin with - adobe got so big was not they were making the best software but the necessity of an industry to settle to a certain standard. Imagine being a freelancer and getting to work at an agency for some time, exchanging files constantly between co-workers... you use "adobe InDesign", they prefer "Anomee OnDesign" which renders, let it be only drop shadows (or some other minor detail) differently... you‘d be fucked!
- vaxorcist0
I loved freehand and hated illustrator..... I can see why....
- ciream0
Adobe and Macromedia duked it out for a decade during the FreeHand vs Illustrator competition. But before that it was Adobe and Aldus slapping each other around over FreeHand and Illustrator except Adobe bought out Aldus in 1994. The Feds said 'no' to taking Aldus FreeHand and put a 10 year penalty on them trying it again. EXACTLY ten years later Adobe buys MM, finally gets FreeHand, and ends its life.
Yep, Adobe had its eyes on Flash but what a perk it got to also bury that thorn in its side called FreeHand. Wanna bet they would grab and kill Quark if they could?
- I think we'd all kill Quark if we could.detritus
- Aldus...that gave me the douche chills. They only made shit software.CyBrainX
- So is Adobe the new Quark?! ...some would say so: http://bit.ly/iIT7Tb…ciream
- Quark is a zombie.It already died.Josev
- fooler0
I haven't used Freehand in about a decade but it was my preferred program at the time but right now I am super pissed off at Adobe.
I was still using my legal copy of CS4 when we got some CS5 indesign files from a client on Thursday. Of course I couldn't open them (if there is a work around please let me know) so I decided it was about time to LEGALLY upgrade. After dropping the $399 and downloading I went to put in our old SS # but couldn't find our install discs. WTF! I just saw them a few weeks ago in the storage closet but someone must have "borrowed them". I thought that was OK since I had all my SS written down in a spreadsheet. Well those numbers didn't work so I called the customer service #. After being on hold for an hour I had to listen to someone who barley spoke english (thanks outsourcing) tell me I needed to buy the full $1800 version even though they have our company on record but its registered to a designer that no longer works for us. Now I have to jump through some hoops to get a refund and repurchase since they wont tell me our SS #'s. I wasted almost a full day of billable time trying to sort this out and they wonder why people would rather pirate software.- that's bullshit. ring back and pretend you are that guy.Amicus
- IDK his adobe user name and password, they even said we have every number but 4 digits. those 4 digits are going to cost me $1400?fooler
- ljust steal it, fuck emanimatedgif
- detritus0
Given the nature of the work I do these days, I use Illy more than any other software... and I'd love for Adobe to create a version that was a bit more CAD-leaning.
Smart Guides are an amazing addition and have allowed me to totally avoid having to ruin my 'creative workflow' by relying on engineer-centric CAD software.
I guess whatever update to 'Illustrator' i'm looking for would be better called something other than 'Illustrator', being a technically-oriented vector design program.
Just a thought, in case anyone from Adobe happens to be reading...
- fyoucher10
@Detritus
- Exactly my point. If two pieces of software came out, you'd choose the one that you like best. Most people would. Most companies would too. During that in-between time, it would be compatibility hell (think Windows/OSX). Eventually, there would be a dominating piece of software and we'd be in the same position we're in now -- A software maker making a piece of software that EVERYONE uses and it would be considered 'anti-competitive' until we repeated that process. Now if software makers were making software that worked across all platforms and other competing softwares (similar to open source), that'd be a different story...but I doubt that'll happen simply because people like money.- The only hell I see between Windows and OSx is in font definitions - all other shared assets seem to work finedetritus
- sry, i think i mistinrepreted your pointdetritus
- that eventually dominating software would only happen with competition.eficks
- Only reason I want competition is to keep things moving forward. I'll be fucked if I ever buy in to another Corel product!detritus
- eh i didnt explain that well. i think its all about innovationeficks