Crowdsourcing: Sabotaging our Value
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- monNom0
I had a lead come to me today that had been disappointed by the quality of some Indian design firm she had initially hired. She sent along a proof they had done for her and --no joke-- it was a screenshot of my own work with the logo switched out.
To complete the irony, I get the impression that she thinks she's getting a deal because the design is "almost done".
- Miguex0
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Buy the site, stationary and business cards first, when you have the money we will design your logo for 50 bucks
- SigDesign0
I love how the 1-page web design is $300, but the logo is $50... way easier to make a single webpage than a brand.
- monNom0
Crowd-sourcing is a sideshow. It's no more competition or a threat to professional designers than "my neighbour's kid who knows photoshop".
People will mess around with crowdsourcing because it's getting talked about right now, but it doesn't stand a chance of replacing our profession.
- pr20
the above V&S video again proves that you get cheap or you paid and get quality. The video kinda sucked (probably crow sourced?) and the VO was horribly spoken as if by some high schooler between gym and home economics.
- IRS0
http://victorsandspoils.com/
"UTILIZES TECHNOLOGY AND ABUNDANCE TO MAKE GREAT WORK FOR BRANDS."
- Miguex0
If we really wanted to do something, we should for some sort of campaign, to inform why hiring a professional designer is better than crowdsourcing a project.
I mean, that's what we do best right? we develop brands, we inform, we attract and we present it in a way that is visually attractive.
I know there are sites like
http://www.no-spec.com/But if we were to organize for example a basic statement and start promoting it through the usual channels of communication, we could educate not only people but designers as well.
Let's say more and more designers donate their time to do this, why listen to a cheat wearing an expensive suit with dreams of modern day slavery when you have design professionals letting you know their side of the story?
That's the problem, it's a direct business for them so they make a profit with this model which will continue to grow and wont stop, mainly because the counter argument has no voice at the moment, other than a few designers complaining about it on forums like these, only visited by designers.
They are targeting the message to the consumer.
- tOki0
- tOki0
There is not a day that passes that I do not see these 2 people. We're totally fucked!
- Miguex0
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I admit I have not used it yet. What I heard is all I know and might be wrong.
- dbloc0
I see crowdsourcing as a totally different beast than Groupon...
- Miguex0
Now, let's take a look at the quality of work you get from crowdsourcing, by enjoying this promo video below (which has a great narration and is easy to understand, but makes great use of word manipulation to make it sound better than it really is.
for example, in the entire video they never mention that you are giving your project to basically anyone that wants to give it a try, instead the participants "designers" "advertisers" and even "professionals".
- akrok0
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they cut corners where corners shouldn't be cut.stock photos are cheesy as fuck. plus you see same photo on other ads or print material.
- Miguex0
I used to get angry at this, but I'm now positive that this movement can't be stopped. As technology becomes more available people are more inclined to give design a try.
You could say that people crowdsourcing design, don't really care about design in the first place, at least not enough to hire a professional, and maybe that's true.
But in the end, people want to save money and if crowdsourcing a logo is 10 bucks, why not give it a try? (I'm tying to be as objective as possible here). That's what I think these people think, the model makes sense if you look at it from the point of view of saving money. Quality work? that's chance, and these people are ok w/ that.
Similar thing is happening with Groupon, (which I have never used or seen yet, but friends of mine have similar concerns that we do with croudsourcing).
Apparently groupon makes it easy for people that don't know each other get together to buy something in particular (could be a service from a photographer for example) and get a deal based on volume (correct me if I'm wrong) meaning that if I get 5 friends to get a photoshoot, we all demand a volume discount over the original shoot. The photographer might get more work, but in order to compete will have to offer better deals than the other photographers on groupon.
- my GF is a groupon addict, it's not quite like that... she gets half price mani/pedi, restaurants, etc...vaxorcist
- well, but that manicurist prolly feels the same way as we do about crowdsourcing, that's what I meanMiguex
- a photographer can offer a deal outside of Groupon, so that doesn't really hold water. Groupon offers a way to gain new unique customers.dbloc
- new unique customers.dbloc
- exactly, groupon clients aren't doing anything for freereinitialize
- I read that groupon gives a biz $ upfront, and a % of buyers never actually show upvaxorcist
- inteliboy0
a shop am working at this week crowdsource "initial brand concepts" as a springboard before getting their real designers started.... which to be honest is a wank.
- wow - designers are good at throwing out first-generation ideas on their own. they don't need help with that.bulletfactory
- vaxorcist0
wait... if agencies are crowdsourcing the creative, why don't clients just crowdsource the entire ad process and cut out the middleman?