Help Canada not get screwed by our ISPs
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- Naygon0
Then there is this
http://www.canadiandownload.com/…
- monNom0
Congratulations, you found Netflick's PR campaign.
You have ALWAYS had a bandwidth limit on your internet connection. When it was dial-up, you paid by the minute. With broad band, you have a quota 10-100gigs download depending on your package, and a fraction of that upload. If you go over, you get a warning (p2p users have run into this for years). and eventually get billed or cut-off. This makes perfect sense because if the telcos need to build out the last mile to deliver 1 terabyte to ever house each month instead of 100BGig, it's going to cost a whole lot more (though maybe not 10x ).
Netflicks doesn't like this cause it makes them a fucking joke up here. 7.99 for some movies that you aren't interested in, but that's all they have, and an extra $30 on your internet bill. You're better off doing 'on demand' or renting (or subscribing for a movie channel).
My thinking: pay for what you use, don't ask you neighbours to subsidize your downloads because you found what you thought was a loophole.
- horton0
Ottawa to quash CRTC decision killing unlimited Internet
http://www.montrealgazette.com/b…
- abettertomorrow0
Hmmm
We don't have limits here and the system works pretty well
- *checks status of 20GB of concurrent torrent downloadsabettertomorrow
- with one ISP, I just rebooted the cable model when uTorrent got slow, works mostly...vaxorcist
- ETM0
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I am of two minds on this. Where it's true, it's only true on your overage amount. You still have to get through your 60 to 170 gb cap (depending on plan) first, then you get the $2/gb rape.If you have the 25gb <5mb plans then get off the Internet anyway granny.
On the plus side, it's till cheaper than smartphone data. Those are premium, imported bytes.
- nb0
"The CRTC does not regulate rates, quality of service issues or business practices of Internet service providers as they relate to retail customers. This is because there is enough competition in the market that retail customers can shop around for service packages."
- From the CRTC web site. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_s…The CRTC is always getting involved in areas they aren't supposed to be. Currently we've got a right-wing govt, which you'd think would be trying to shut down the CRTC, but instead they bow down to big business. I wish conservatives would act like conservatives.
- That is acting conservative...bowin... to big business. Where have you been?:)abettertomorrow
- abettertomorrow0
Unfortunately signing petitions is one of the least effective ways to get peoples attention. Better would be to call or e-mail your Congressional representative directly.
Barring that, I suggest people get out on the streets and protest like the Egyptians.
- actually it has worked quite well for openmedia.ca... got a response from our PM in less than a weekhorton
- nb0
^ Read a little further on the site and you'll see the following:
"The CRTC regulates rates and quality of service issues for wholesale services. The CRTC regulates the relationship between these resellers and the cable and telephone companies who own the infrastructure needed to provide Internet access, in order to ensure that Canadians have access to a range of Internet providers."
So, to summarize: "The CRTC does not set prices for consumers. The CRTC sets the price for wholesalers."
What competition is there when all the resellers are forced to pay the same price? If you're setting the price for wholesale, you're essentially setting the price for consumers, and the CRTC knows it. These guys aren't morons.
- ETM0
@nb
See that's the confusing part. From what I am reading, the CRTC is only ruling in regards to second tier ISPs having to pay more to the primary ISPs. So if I am a little ISP and I buy from Shaw or Bell and resell, I have to pay more back to Shaw or Bell. Basically at only 15% less than consumer rate, so there is not a lot of margin.
I am seeing little language involving consumers directly. It seems like the big ISPs are using it as an excuse to lower caps on their customers when really the CRTC said nothing of the sort.
- Right. The CRTC is ruling out competition by forcing small companies to pay large ones outrageous fees. >nb
- http://www.theglobea…nb
- I know. But that shouldn't affect me as a direct Shaw customer. And it is.ETM
- ETM0
The only thing that saved us was the timing of an upcoming election. If that wasn't the case, Harper would't have given a crap.
- Minority governments have their advantages. Scared PM's.betelgeuse
- kills me reading all teh Harper praise... are people really that stupid?horton
- What praise? We're saying he did it to win votes, not for greater good.ETM
- relax. elsewhere. openmedia.ca's facebook is full of harper fap.horton
- betelgeuse0
I predict that file sharing will go offline.
As the price of storage goes down, it will be really easy to buy a huge drive, fill it up with movies and music and share it with friends. They make copies, ect, ect.
- Sure let's revive 3.5" floppies with shareware programs on the rack at the grocery store too.ETM
- http://www.qbn.com/t…horton
- Doom Episode 1 any one? Maybe some clipart?ETM
- ETM what are you talking about?betelgeuse
- Are you not old enough to remember the days of everything on physical media?ETM
- yes i am.... and that's not what I'm describing...betelgeuse
- tOki0
To give you an idea of what Australia is like:
I have a 160gb plan per month. 80gb is peak (8am-12am) and 80gb is offpeak (12am-8am). This costs AU$80 a month for a 24mbps line (actual is downstream more around 17mbps, and upstream around 6mbps). Uploads count to this data also. If we go over either of our quotas, we get shaped to 64kbps up & down...so they sell the plans as unlimited, because they are - you just get your connection slowed to dialup speed when you go over.
Some of the more nasty telcos will actually charge you for every mb you go over..I remember about 3 years ago a friend of mine got a $3000 bill from Telstra
- A $3,000 bill. lol. I had a $1,500 bill for my cell phone as a teen. My father almost murdered me.shellie
- ETM0
I am not sure what perception there is of Internet in Canada currently, but Netflix just rated our two major Cable providers (Shaw and Rogers) as the top delivery networks for their streaming service in North America.
Right now at the house I pay Shaw $47month CDN for 15mb/1mb and 170gb limit per month. Which is a soft limit that they only enforce when you frequently break it. As far as I know, uploads don't count against that limit. If I wanted to pay more, I can get a 50mb/3mb or a 100mb/5mb plan. The only complaint is that the upload speeds could be better.
But regards to this ruling, I can't imagine a company like Shaw implementing it. Now Telus on the other hand (Telco/DSL service) I could see jumping on it.
- Shaw did implement it. Shaw on Demand is their concern
http://saveournet.ca…Naygon - Shaw charges you as much as Netflix does for 1 movie. They have a stake in this just like Bell and Rogers
=Naygon
- Shaw did implement it. Shaw on Demand is their concern
- ETM0
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Cassette tapes did the same thing. Then we moved on.- that's not even close to what I'm talking aboutbetelgeuse
- Carting around a physical media device with your files to copy. What ARE you describing then?ETM
- the ability to put all the movies and music you've ever listened too one tiny disc.betelgeuse
- although it's a "physical" disc (like everything else right now) it would be very easy to dobetelgeuse
- incredibly cheap and there wouldn't be any downloadingbetelgeuse
- horton0
i was fully in support of this until it was brought to my attention that Netflix uses up to 20% of total US bandwidth during peak hours... and somehow that doesn't seem right for a company charging $8/month.
- That's Netflix's problem to sort with backbones etc.. not our problem as consumers.ETM
- monNom0
I went in to shaw yesterday to find out just how much bandwidth I was using. I've got two users on my account, both of us spend too much time online, watch youtube, listen to streaming audio, play games, etc. All that, and we've never exceeded 15gig a month (shaw's LITE package limit --which I switched too, saving me about $15/mo).
Now, we don't do peer to peer sharing, and we don't download HD movies. But I bet there's a good chunk of people out there that use the internet just like me and are probably overpaying for service they don't even need. Looking at my usage, 200GB seems crazy.
If you don't already know, look into how much bandwidth you actually use. It was an eye opener for me.
- as it turns out LITE = 56k on average... so that sucksmonNom