another shooting...

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  • Sneakybadger20

    More insignificant happenings of a failed species

  • monkeyshine0

    Oh yeah, let's not hold anyone accountable except the deranged dude who shot Rep. Giffords...afterall, we do live in a vacuum, right? I don't get that argument.

  • detritus0

    Unsettling how many Western pundits hope and rely upon China's ascent stumbling under its own internal pressures, with the distinct impression that competing social forces will rip it apart before it reaches parity.

    I can't help but wonder whether it might be America that implodes first. So much hate over there. So much discord between political wings which are, in historical terms, not really that polar-opposite.

    An interesting century ahead.

    • ..not talking about the shooter — more the instant spilling of bitter vitriol every time there's news of note.detritus
    • so truerandommail
    • You'd have to watch/listen to the right wing media (cable news and radio) here to understand.abettertomorrow
    • Its not a 50-50 split, just like 15-20% that have developed these extreme views thanks to the media spoonfeeding themabettertomorrow
    • Actually, with the Murdoch takeover of Sky in the UK, you may understand soon enough:)abettertomorrow
    • Sky has always been a Murdoch vehicle, current buy is just a question of the last few percent ownership.detritus
    • Life's problems are rarely the fault of the 50/50 majority - it's the 20/80 splits that fan the flames of nastier issues.detritus
  • ghandolf0

    A little about the other victims in the shooting.

    U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was believed to be the main target when a gunman went on a shooting spree that left six dead and at least 13 injured Saturday. Here is a look at some of the victims as they become identified.

    Giffords, 40, was first elected to the Arizona House in 2000 and the state Senate in 2002. The Tucson native was elected to the U.S. House in 2006. She married Cmdr. Mark E. Kelly, a NASA astronaut and Navy pilot from New Jersey, in 2007.

    U.S. District Judge John M. Roll
    Named Arizona's chief federal judge in 2006, Roll won wide acclaim for a career as a respected jurist and as a leader who had pushed to beef up the court's strained bench to handle a growing number of border crime-related cases.

    "I have never met a more sincere ... fair-minded, brilliant federal judge or any judge for that matter in my whole life," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said.

    Roll, 63, was heading home after a trip to church and the store before stopping to visit briefly with Giffords at an event she was holding for constituents at a northwest-side Tucson Safeway.
    Roll was a Pennsylvania native who got his law degree from the University of Virginia. He is survived by his wife, Maureen, three sons, and five grandchildren. Roll was appointed to the federal bench in 1991 by President George H.W. Bush. Roll previously served as a state trial judge and as a judge on the midlevel Arizona Court of appeals. He previously worked as a county and state prosecutor.
    "Judge Roll was a widely respected jurist, a strong and able leader of his court, and a kind, courteous and sincere gentleman," said Chief Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the federal circuit that includes Arizona. "He worked tirelessly to improve the delivery of justice to the people of Arizona."

    Roll, a Pennsylvania native, received death threats in 2009 over a $32 million civil-rights suit filed against an Arizona rancher by illegal immigrants.

    At the time, Roll and U.S. Marshal's officials attributed the threats to hysteria from talk radio.

    Christina-Taylor Green
    The 9-year-old who was shot at the event and later died at a hospital went to the Giffords event with a neighbor because she had just been elected to the student council and was interested in government, her uncle told KTAR in Phoenix.

    The neighbor, who was not identified Saturday, was shot four times,.
    Born Sept. 11, 2001, according to NBC station KVOA, Christina-Taylor attended Mesa Verde Elementary School. She was one of 50 babies featured in " Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11."
    Christina was also involved in ballet, Little League baseball and her church. Her grandfather, former major-league pitcher Dallas Green, was the Philadelphia Phillies' team manager when they won the World Series in 1980.

    She recently received her first Holy Communion at St. Odilia’s Catholic Church on Tucson’s northwest wide, Catholic Diocese of Tucson officials said.

    Gabe Zimmerman
    Giffords' 30-year-old communications outreach director was engaged to be married, the Arizona Republic reported. He had worked for Giffords in her Tucson district since 2007.

    “We serve who walks into our office and we don’t even ask what party they belong to,” Zimmerman told the Tucson Citizen in 2007.

    Dorwin Stoddard
    The 76-year-old retiree was described as a jack of all trades by Mike Nowak, the couple’s minister at Mountain Ave. Church of Christ, told the Arizona Daily Star. Stoddard's wife, Mavanell, was shot in the leg but is expected to recover, the Star reported.

    Stoddard, who performed maintenance work at the church, and his wife spent summers traveling, friends told the Star. The couple visited all 50 states and 28 foreign countries, they said.

    Other victims
    Police said Dorthy Morris, 76, and Phyllis Schneck, 79, were also killed in the shooting.

    Also injured but expected to be all right, said C.J. Karamargin, Giffords' communications director, are staffer Pam Simon and deputy director Ron Barber.

    This from...
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4098…

  • abettertomorrow0

    • the eyes of a psycho.dbloc
    • No.. You wouldn't think it to look at him...moth
    • He looks like he just ate a big pile of shit.marychain
  • monkeyshine0

    Bohner reacts:

  • HijoDMaite0

    This conversation shouldn't be about the Tea Party. This is a tragic event from an obviously disturbed and mentally ill individual. His political leanings almost don't matter. He was 20 years old, he's a fuckin kid!
    I have a lot of family who are members of the Tea Party. Very intelligent, well educated family whom I love very much and respect their opinions. On the other hand, I have an equal amount of family who is very liberal and votes mostly Democrat and of course very successful, educated and full of common sense. This is the way it has always been, we get along at family gatherings always have, we love and respect each other and can have civil discussions. I certainly don't think it's a good idea to connect a political movement to this kid's fucked up sense of reality. Too young to naive.

    Having said all that, I hope Sarah Palin learns a lesson in her choice of graphics for her website. We all get it that it's a joke about the cross hairs, and that she's suppose to portray this 'mama bear' 'hockey mom' persona but it's a bit disturbing coming from a mother and grandmother who is suppose to be pro life and born again Christian. She consistently, does and says things to embarrass herself and according to my Conservative side of the family would make a terrible candidate.

    • we all don't think the cross hairs are a joke. speak for yourself, homie.BonSeff
    • fuck all gun wackos, including Pallin FFSernexbcn
    • also, its dishonest to play the mental illness card and dismiss the rhetoric that pushed him to this decisionBonSeff
    • well lucky for us he wasn't killed and maybe we'll learn a little more about that.HijoDMaite
    • sounds like he was just anti govt. in general, but I'm sure we will learn all the details about his motivation.HijoDMaite
  • fiver0

    watching the local news coverage on..... KGUN.

    niiiiiiiiiice.

  • ernexbcn0

    Alright

  • utopian0

    Inbred Teabaggers Unite®

  • bored2death0

  • hedge0

    utopian is actually happy that this tragedy occurred, because in his mind it strengthens support for the democratic party.

    Oh, the depraved and confused mind of a liberal.

  • abettertomorrow0

    Remember last election? There was no Tea Party but the same hysterical rhetoric going on. To his credit John McCain was willing to say enough is enough and in the last video he tries to talk his insane supporters back from the brink.



  • GeorgesII0

    I may sound cold and heartless,
    but if Gilfford survives her injuries,
    she could use people's empathy to run for president in 2012,
    like Giuliani used 9/11 for political gain,

    yeah I know I'm a A-ol, but I had to say it

    • *face palm

      stick to posting funny images
      Mr_Fantastic
    • So bizarrely wrong on so many levels.luckyorphan
    • He's got a point!
      God, Gods & Government!
      utopian
    • if she survives...she'll be a different person...brain injuries are no joke.dbloc
    • yeah...she's going to be different or incredibly disabled. :(marychain
  • dbloc0

    This thread has turned into political rhetoric.

    • the media has wondeathboy
    • "has turned into"?
      Look back at page 2
      abettertomorrow
    • I tried to post victim updates and news... but sadly - it didn't work.
      As you were...
      ghandolf
  • lowimpakt0

    here is gifford talking about when her office got attacked after she voted for healthcare..

    http://kateoplis.tumblr.com/post…

    where she specifically refers to palins crosshairs

  • abettertomorrow0

    OK, non-political question, sort of. Do you think it's appropriate to seek the death penalty against someone like this?

    Considering on one hand the horrible acts they committed, even murdering a little girl. On the other hand, he was pretty clearly insane, I mean look at the picture above if you need proof.

    • Or at least the trail of evidence he left suggests that fact rather stronglyabettertomorrow
    • Is it OK to execute an insane person if what they did was bad enough?abettertomorrow
    • If he is in fact found to mentally incompetent to stand trial, he will spend years in mental hospital(s).ghandolf
    • But wouldn't the government try to argue that he wasn't in fact insane?abettertomorrow
    • They always try to argue that, but the courts hand him over to doctors for tests first - trial suspends until diagnosis is over.ghandolf
    • eye for an eyedbloc
    • He's not criminally insane though. He's fucked up. But he KNEW he was committing a crime. That makes him eligible to ride the lightning.marychain
    • RIDE THE LIGHTNING!!!!marychain
    • FRY YOU SICK FUCK!marychain
  • ghandolf0

    ^ ^ He's got a pretty good insanity plea going for him already. Friends were afraid of him... teachers had him expelled from classes... was rejected by the Army... fellow students thought he was nuts... sounds like he'll spend life in mental institutions to me.

    • premeditated rules out insanity...he should frymarychain
  • seeessess0

    1. All you guys against guns, get the fuck out and move somewhere temporarily.

    2. Encourage all the others to shoot each other (just carry on what you are doing, but increase the scale).

    3. Everyone moves back to a peaceful land, where there are lots of jobs, prospects and no guns.

    Job done.

  • IRS0

    Take a look @ page 2 - 3
    http://download.jw.org/files/med…