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- ETM0
What the hell weapon was he using that he did that much damage before being stopped?? One story on CNN said he was wrestled to the ground within seconds, but he was already trying to reload.
- He had a legally purchased Glock, with extended magazines that help 30 rounds each. The 2nd mag failed.ghandolf
- DrBombay0
When you have citizens showing up to political rallies with AR15's strapped to their backs what do you expect to happen next?
Amazing how the right are trying to distance themselves from this shit.
- How else are you going to keep the King of England out of your face?WrappedInBooks
- abettertomorrow0
When the Muslim attacker killed all those people at Fort Hord, did anyone say Al Queda and other terrorist groups weren't blame? Or the suicide bomber in Sweden?
In all three cases you had people who were already mentally troubled to say the least, but it was rhetoric from outside forces that pushed them to act in the way they did.
Not that the Tea Party or American media like Fox are in any way as bad as Al Queda. But they do paint a picture of a government that is illegally out of control, trying to kill off its citizens with death panels or FEMA death camps, and other crazy shit that is divorced from reality. Tea Party has made several comments indicating that violence or violent revolution is justified. And constantly idolizing guns and using violent imagery for shits and giggles like Palin.
So when you have 20% of the country listening to and buying crap like that, and then one of them snaps and shoots a Congresswoman point blank through the head, is there a connection?
- detritus0
Apos for the imgur link
- GeorgesII0
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“Schools: I attended school: Thornydale elementary, Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View Highschool, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College.
Interests: My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar.
Conscience dreams were a great study in college!
Movies:(*My idiom: I could coin the moment!*)
Music:Pass me the strings!
Books: I had favorite books:
Animal Farm, Brave New World,
The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables,
The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland,
Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan,
To Kill A Mockingbird,
We The Living,
Phantom Toll Booth,
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest,
Pulp,
Through The Looking Glass,
The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha,
The Old Man And The Sea,
Gulliver’s Travels,
Mein Kampf,
The Republic, and Meno.”
- moldero0
- Now, what does that have to do with anything?mg33
- imaged searched "grassy knoll" found this onemoldero
- They haven't said Gabrielle Giffords is dead yet. Hopefully it's a case of NPR jumping the gun.moldero
- She was shot in the head at close range. I doubt she'll survive. This is very sad.Josev
- < it's a sniper ghillie suit.reinitialize
- abettertomorrow0
I think the more relevant part is not that he read Peter Pan and The Wizard of Oz, but this:
"The motives of Loughner — an English grammar-obsessed Army reject — remain murky, but in the weeks before his apparent outburst, he took to the Web to rail against brainwashing by government officials and “mind-control methods.”
A MySpace page, believed to be Loughner’s, was taken down by law enforcement officials minutes after the suspect was named. It included a “Goodbye friends,” sign-off, with the message, “Please don’t be mad at me.”
A series of rambling and jarring videos posted on his personal Web site under the handle “Classitup10,” paint the portrait of a searching conspiracy theorist fixated on the American flag, perversion of the Constitution and “illiterate” people living in Arizona’s 8th District, which Giffords represents.
A seven-minute video, “America; Your Last Memory is a Terrorist” filmed in a desert mesa, that features a robed figure wearing what a skeleton mask — perhaps Loughner — who approaches a tattered American flag, jammed between rocks.
A bubble pops up on the screen – “Notice I have only my right arm” – against the pounding song, “Let the Bodies Hit the Floor” by the punk band Drowning Pool.
“The majority of the citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America’s Constitution. You don’t have to accept the federalists’ laws,” says a video entitled “introduction,” posted on Dec. 15.
In the Dec. 15 video, Loughner writes: “The government is [applying] implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar,” and urges viewers to “read the United States of America’s Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.”
- mg330
So was the congresswoman killed or not? Reports are saying all sorts of things: "shot," "gravely wounded," "Arizona congresswoman among 18 shot at Tucson grocery."
Actually CNN is reporting "Darci Slaten, a spokeswoman for University Medical Center in Tucson, said Giffords, 40, was undergoing surgery Saturday afternoon for a gunshot wound to the head."
- abettertomorrow0
Jared Lee Loughner’s rants about grammar and mind control track closely to the writings of a conspiracy theorist who believes that is how the government controls the populace, one leading group says – and the man tells POLITICO he agrees with some of Loughner’s statements.
The far-right activist, David Wynn Miller, said in a telephone interview that he didn’t know Loughner, but agreed with his statement in a YouTube video that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”
“Absolutely I would agree with it,” said Miller, 62, a former tool-and-die maker from Milwaukee who claims 1 billion “students” worldwide.
But he said any suggestion that his writings influenced Loughner to go on a shooting rampage is “ridiculous.”
“I have nothing to do with anything like that,” Miller said, suggesting that Loughner might have been under the influence of government mind control.
Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, first mentioned Miller during an appearance Saturday on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.”
“The idea weirdly enough of controlling grammar, of somehow the government using grammar to control the people is an idea that exists on the radical right. There’s a particular person, a man named David Wynn Miller who has plugged this idea for years,” Potok said.
Miller “claims to have invented truth language,” Potok said in an interview with POLITICO. “His idea is that if you only use the correct grammar and punctuation, you can throw off the shackles of the tyrannical government.”
Potok said Loughner appeared “practically illiterate and quite mentally ill,” but his statements and the books he has cited suggest a “pretty strong anti-government, conspiracy-oriented threat.”
- JG_LB0
- Inbred Teabaggers Unite®utopian
- the fuck is Aronofsky doing?Mex_Kubrick
- moth0
Save the anti-gun rhetoric.
I wish I could bury my head that deep.
- Handel0
I cannot understand extremism of any stripe.
- GeorgesII0
The shooter was found with a copy of the "Catcher in the rye"*
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.*the above statement may or may not be true.
- abettertomorrow0
And this guy Miller is considered part of the something called the "Sovereign Citizens Movement," which is a group of right-wing types obsessed with overthrowing the current Federal Government and returning to the Gold Standard and some idea they have of earlier limited government
- Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?abettertomorrow
- wow those are extreme views. Money backed by gold? Smaller govt to weed out corruption! Boy those are dangerous!VikingKingEleven
- ABT you can't even think for yourself. Hilarious. Love ya man.VikingKingEleven
- PS. Do you even know what FIAT currency is? Seriously?VikingKingEleven
- And yet it gets mixed in with violent rhetoric and actions. See: McVeigh, Timothy.abettertomorrow
- epic_rim0
This dude (the shooter) is whacked out.
- is this really him? his channel?HijoDMaite
- yes
http://www.youtube.c…epic_rim - my head hurts74LEO