Lack of quality
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- them0
place add here: http://www.krop.com/
- akrokdesign0
not bad, hope you find a good one. :-)
- LukeO0
Crayz
Your aiming big, it will get you far! I have recently heard of grads getting starting salaries of mid-twenties with known & up-and-coming agencies - it does happen!
You would learn just as much at an agency like the one mentioned above as you would with an agency of your dreams as they have the same working methods and are producing the same kind of work after all — though I will admit the very best have that special 1% that some agencies don't have, but, well I think you should nail down the other 99% first.
Good luck with the search crayz.
And good luck RumperChunk getting your junior. Refreshing and honest views!
- aanderton0
^ he's UK mnmlst - so £25k I'd assume.
- aanderton0
Get in contact with universities. They tend to keep in contact with their students and notify them of job prospects if they appear. I know mine does.
- Andrew_D0
This lad is quite talented: http://www.alanclarkegraphics.co…
- Hombre_Lobo_20
Where are you based rumper?
- Hench0
Re: mnmlst + hombre_lobo
Does no one bother clicking onto member's profiles nowadays?
- Hombre_Lobo_20
Hench,
did it after i posted, bad habit!
London, the buro ltd.- naughty!Hench
- ha true :P
QBN encourages a lazy attitude! where work is involved im not so stupid (usually)Hombre_Lobo_2
- jamble0
@crayz - Some interesting perspective from the grad side for sure. Took a look at your folio and it's got some impressive client/project names (Nike etc). Is that all commissioned work or a mix of made up and real work?
I'm really amazed graduates expect to be on a minimum of £25k for doing fuck all to date though, I'm not saying it's top dollar and that there aren't a few out there with real potential or actual freelance experience on the side but I do think it's pretty worrying that someone can walk out of uni and actually demand what's still not a terrible wage despite having little to no experience of delivering anything other than fanciful uni project work.
- vaxorcist0
Personality
Talent
Availabilitypick any two
- vaxorcist0
In my recent experience at two agencies, good juniors were able to make amazing work, but seniors would make work that more often got approved by clients, even if it was less amazing.....
Biggest issue we had was one junior who thought he was master of the universe... he was about half as good as he thought he was, which was actually really good, but he alienated clients...
- RumperChunk0
Yep.. London, but I'm over in NYC at the moment, so I'll need some one with balls to run with the briefs... £25k not too shabby for a junior right? I mean if you're living at home with ya folks...
- thecreativefire0
I started at £11k as a junior in 1998. I'm pretty sure that any graduate would bite your hand off for £25k. I think that's pretty phemonenal for a jr. In my experience £17k is the norm.
- RumperChunk0
I'm not saying we do the greatest ever work, but we do work across a broad section of the industry and I think our animation work is pretty bloody good. But you're right Crayz - graduates always want to work with the coolest studios doing the coolest work (until reality kicks in I think) so we may struggle to fill in the void with top talent.. but what depresses me is the overall quality of the work I'm being sent by Junior level designers.. I don't even want top talent.. I want someone that communicates well through their work and through themselves - solid skills and an appetite to improve and grow. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places.. who knows?
- Does sound like an awesome opportunity. Hope you find a smart graduate, sounds like they'll get great guidancebabaganush
- Agreed. your animation work is nice.crayz
- +1akrok
- crayz0
Turning into an interesting debate.
What do you think about grads working for free "the internship?"
I've had to turn down 3 internships at top, top, top agencies in London due to not being able to live on 100 pound a week. I feel like I've missed out and seriously let some chances slip But avoided adding more debt on to my debt.
At the same time I've done over 6 months of expenses only internships in Manchester and Liverpool. I don't feel like its got me anywhere other than a name on my CV. No portfolio work to show for it, well i guess real life experiences with clients is a plus.I'm still at a loss as to what i think about internships. Some studios just do it for cheap labor and fresh ideas surely? I freelanced at a place who always had at lest 3 interns in at a time. They would not be able to handle the work load without them being their.
- Depends on size - still a tough economy for small studios...most have paid their dues. Always frustrating but kind of a rite of passagebabaganush
- Passagebabaganush
- MrMackem0
£25k for a gradute / junior???
WTF ????????????????????
- crayz0
Im just shocked by the 25k, I went in for a job at pentagram that was 20k. And from all the jobs I've seen at junior level. 20 seems really good. Although in 1 place I do get a mid level freelance fee. It felt like i was just getting more due to it me being a freelancer.
Where have you advertised the job CumperChunk? I've been job hunting the last month and not seen it.