Will China really take over?
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- mydo0
On the subject of business ethics, it's worth noting while we were all babies, all the cheap plastic shit had "made in japan" on it. My uncle tells me stories of working with the japanese in the 60's and saying how they stole your ideas, had no respect for copyright etc.etc.... Now look how fucking cool they are! http://www.qbn.com/topics/618655…
- Yeah, economists point to that when discussing China's power. We thought Japan was going to buy/take over the whole country in the 80's. It didnt happen.Josev
- in the 80's. It didnt happen.Josev
- Although I've also read that Japan may be a good example for where our economy is headed.Josev
- It's like going back in time going to japan. really odd.mydo
- Population size is pretty differentukit
- We had / have military bases in Japan. In China, not so much.TheBlueOne
- jetSkii0
It's amazing that the only Asian country to side with the Nazis are considered cool today.
- I heard Hermann Göring was a massive hello kitty fan.mydo
- Hiroshima, NagasakiTheBlueOne
- Josev0
This is interesting, from here: http://www.globalissues.org/arti…
"Accounting for the increased population between 1981 and 2005, the poverty rate has, however, fallen by about 25%.
While this at least sounds encouraging, it masks regional variations, and perhaps most glaringly the impact of China:
Between 1981 and 2005:
- China’s poverty rate fell from 85% to 15.9%, or by over 600 million people
- China accounts for nearly all the world’s reduction in poverty
- Excluding China, poverty fell only by around 10%"
- mydo0
^ "roughly 13 to 17% of Americans living below the poverty line "
- mydo0
In answer to the very first question. my considered opinion is that china will continue to grow and influence, but it's influence will never reach our daily lives like the UK and US did. There are times is hard to tell i'm even in Shanghai. New China is International, English speaking and coffee drinking. Don't worry clearThoughts, you are quite safe from change.
- ETM0
Ultimately, globalization is reducing the ability for the global superpowers like in the past and China is simply filling the vacuum the US and other major players are creating during something of a balancing process.
- georgesIII0
well, if I could chose a superpower,
I'll go with invisibility or xray vision.on a serious note,
why not give china a chance,
I don't care if they become the world's superpower as long as they don't go around the world stealing/rapping/pillaging the remaining ressources.- I hope they don't start rapping eitherukit
- M.C. China and the Sweatshop GangETM
- ukit and etm. LOL!!!akrokdesign
- So you haven't seen what China has been doing in Africa then?TheBlueOne
- TBO we have had 500 years * of western domination, look where it led us,georgesIII
- ukit0
I just wonder which model is better positioned for a globalized world. One where the state has ability to control industries and make radical changes across the whole society. Or one where government is limited to the point where changes that affect a powerful interest are very difficult.
Putting aside the issue of democracy vs authoritarianism, left vs right, etc, which do you think is better positioned for success? Especially considering the world could go through massive changes over the next several decades in terms of energy and other issues.
- Please, forget this left & right thing... i think traditional policies are dead for nowOBBTKN
- The problem is the only government metod that is able to force the people to make the changes in future needed...OBBTKN
- is the one everyone here did´nt want to mentionOBBTKN
- Talking on success terms...
Then, for me, fuck success, let´s talk about other term!OBBTKN - Seeing the human race (seeing the things been done before)... i think the war to control the energetic resources is innevitableOBBTKN
- inevitableOBBTKN
- akrokdesign0
so more of Detroit, here then.
- Basically yes. China and other countries will wipe the floor with us.ukit
- monNom0
"I don't care if they become the world's superpower as long as they don't go around the world stealing/rapping/pillaging the remaining resources."
this is pretty much the definition of what a super power does. USA does this, England did it before them, prior to that was the dutch, and before them the spanish, etc.
- mydo0
Ukit, i don't this don't think either system works, i'm hoping there is a new invention. A kinda demoarianism that is just brilliant, there are no lawyers, and every country in the world embraces it, and we're all very safe and happy. And we all have japanese cats.
- ntslide0
Over here now, been here many times and I work closely with many Chinese factories. I do find it interesting that at least half of my factories (some vertical) are owned by Koreans or Taiwanese businesspeople. I'm also amazed at the level of understanding many of my factory owners possess. China is infinitely more complicated than anyone gives them credit for.
I think sometimes as a westerner I seek to impose the values and urgency for change that is capable in the US. Simply, we don't like something and we speak up about it and expect a change. What we forget is that China isn't capable of making the changes we think it needs.
This is my opinion from being here so if I'm misguided I apologize...
China does cannot exist (and this should be appropriate to the company here) without the premium of innovation and design/marketing that are second nature to US, Europe, Aus etc. I work very closely with entire factories on complex developments and they simply could not do the job without myself and my design group. As I see it, the design and direction are what keep the relationship going... I have a constant need to innovate and they have a constant need to produce...
Short answer from me, no China will not take over... buy all the debt in the world, we'll just buy it back for cheaper (look up Japanese real estate investment back when they were 'taking over') a few years later...
- georgesIII0
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- clearThoughts0
中国是怎么就打算统治QBN
- TheeOtherJuan0
I interned for a aerospace company back in high school (1996). They had me file for their Sr. threat analyst. the pile they had on Russia was huge. I then moved to the "China" pile, 10x bigger. What I gather from this analyst and my economics professor, China is a sleeping giant and no country will want to wake it.
- drgz0
- georgesIII0
Responding to TBO's message,
"So you haven't seen what China has been doing in Africa then?"I believe if you ask any african if he wants to take a chance with the new chinese power or the old occidental one,
they'll give a chance to the new one,
look what 500 years of brutality and resource stealing led us,
most of big corporation are in fact european, the puppet governments are put there to give the sensation to western crowd that democracy does exist in africa but it doesn't,
when a president decides he wants to take care of his country they take him out (or try to, like what happened in my country),
African minerals have never been so profitable (google mine in congo) yet the african population have never been poorer...Give china a chance, they'll soon have more problem controlling their own population, I don't see them trying to do the same with Sub-saharan africans
- kingkong0
Agree with georgesIII, The UK subjugated about a billion people, renamed Zimbabwe after Cecil Rodes, ran the slave trade, amoungst other special moments. We did an awful lot of good, but we abused the 'superpower' position in so many ways.
I suppose we have had it pretty good for 500 years, building our wealth on the backs of the worlds poor, from sugar in Brazil to spice from India, to diamonds in Africa to oil in the middle east. It was going to end sometime, just happens to be happening on our watch.
So there is definitely a rebalancing going on. I work in a big ad firm and so much of what we do is now heading eastwards from Europe.
I've spent a lot of time in China (and I'd throw in India into that mix too) and just on a sheer numbers game they'll take over. Once they figure out innovation they'll run the show. The main issue will be keeping a lid on disorder. My impression is that about 5% of the population is benefiting, the rest seem to be poor as hell. Thats a time bomb for sure.
Also China are only doing what Japan did, copy, copy, copy then innovate.