flash for Ipad
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- ukit0
Here's a review of frash and what it can and can't do
- Were I to install it, it would simply be to browse Flash sites. All the same, I'll wait until Frash is stable before installing.Continuity
- CyBrain0
By the way, Cloudbrowse does not require jailbreaking your iPhone/iPad.
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- formed0
Is this not a marketing ploy at this point? Does everyone really think that there won't ever be Flash on an iPad??
Serious question. If so, then I can't wait until the Android or W7 versions come out.
- There will be a workaround/jailbreak... solutions, but Jobs won't part with the lockdown.CyBrain
- Continuity0
^ Some in the media have likened Jobs' bloody-mindedness as it relates to Flash with Apple's death-grip on Mac hardware that nearly sank the company completely in the 90s. That's a bit dramatic, though.
I think that the luddite user doesn't really care one way or another about Flash, and developers will probably do their best to make sure that market segment doesn't see what they're missing, by filling the gaps with alternate solutions to Flash. It's really only those who know about the technologies involved who will have opinions one way or another.
In other words, the people with an opinion on either side of the issue are probably in the market minority, which will ultimately not have much of an effect on Apple's bottom line.
- Continuity0
Also:
- but it continues to be a problem for the industry, so it's still a lively topic.CyBrain
- ukit0
I think Continuity is right, it seems like a big deal to us, the average user on the other hand is probably only vaguely aware there's a thing called Flash in the first place:)
People really just care about getting the content they want, not what technology it is delivered with.
- < they will be aware that a lot of websites don't work on their iPad though ...********
- < they will be aware that a lot of websites don't work on their iPad though ...
- formed0
Perhaps, but I think most people just assume that it is part of the internet, and, therefore, they can see it as the iPad advertises and is sold as accessing the internet.
I have yet to come across anyone that knew it didn't support Flash, and while many may not care, I am guessing that most would not understand why it doesn't when all their other computers can access it. Those that I've talked to just respond "oh, well, that's stupid."
You are right, most don't care, they just want access to the websites/content, regardless of the format, but that's kinda the point, right?
My money is on that they'll have to support it, eventually, as there will be a growing unsettling word of mouth as more people go to a Flash site and just see a black screen, call Apple and they have to explain "oh, yeah, we don't support that part of the internet, sorry".
- ukit0
I guess the question is how big a part of the internet we're talking about...
For most people, use of Flash = watching video, and that is largely covered by HTML video. Outside of video, what percentage of the web do you think requires Flash?
- not a question of what I think but how much there is.CyBrain
- CyBrain0
When you ask a layman if they care if the iPad has Flash, they will only respond based on how much they know about Flash, so they will not know how much they're missing. They will not know browser inconsistencies with an incomplete HTML5 spec. They'll have no idea how much more limited HTML5 is compared to Flash and that if the same HTML5 content were on their iPad it would choke (or not) the processor just as much.
- monospaced0
I've said it before, but the responsibility for making Flash work on the iOS shouldn't rely solely on Apple. Flash works well on desktops with plenty of resources, but it still kinda sucks in the mobile world. So, I feel it is Adobe's job to make a Flash player optimized for the mobile platforms and meet Apple half way. Even the phones that can handle Flash don't do it well, and I honestly believe that Apple is waiting until it does.
- Continuity0
'but it continues to be a problem for the industry'
I don't see that there's a problem at all. To whom is it a problem?
- If a designer is called upon to create something for the platform, they do their research into the specifics of the platform and call upon the right developers to translate the design to the final delivered piece
- There's a choice on the market. You desperately want Flash to run on your portable device? Buy one that supports it.
- Use the right tool for the job. If you're presenting semi-functional Flash comps to a client, don't use an iPad. It won't work. Bring your laptop. And besides, how many people want to crowd together shoulder-to-shoulder to look at a comparatively small display on a boardroom table, when one simply has to connect their laptop to the projector in the corner of the room?
- You're an AS developer who feels somehow marginalised by Apple's decision not support Flash on their iShit? Looks like a great opportunity to learn new skills, and make yourself competitive on the job market!
I'm not coming down on you personally, CyBrain, I just think the problem is manufactured by competing interests (Adobe and Aopple) and the media have come on board to blow this issue out of proportion as a hill people ought to be dying on, when it simply isn't that sort of issue.
It's just a piece of consumable electronic equipment.
- CyBrain0
Apple is in no way waiting for Flash to work better on phones. They are keeping the App Store exclusivity in tact so people don't develop Flash content that would make paid apps useless.
Yes, Flash works well with desktops so why not the iPad? The iPad can't be thrown into the same mobile classification as a phone.
Also, now that Flash 10.1 is on Android, not Flashlite, we'll see how that performs. How bad is Apple going to look if an Android phone can display Flash while an iPad won't?
- So, what phone plays Flash like a desktop computer? What other tablet does?monospaced
- I was under the impression that it was truly underperforming on many fronts on even netbooks.monospaced
- It would have to be some badly developed Flash to run badly on a netbook if my desktop from the 90s could handle it.CyBrain
- which one?monospaced
- pauliusuza0
It has long been clear that Flash is barred from iOS not because of performance reasons, but rather because Apple's business model would be screwed if they allow it to run on their devices.
- Oh? Show me where Apple states this...clearly. I haven't run across it.monospaced
- I'm not trying to argue, I just missed that press conference.monospaced
- Why would they admit their underhandedness?CyBrain
- even if apple allowed flash and people developed similar flash apps to compete, they would even be close performance wise to real appsspifflink
- wise to real appsspifflink
- *wouldn'tspifflink
- formed0
But keep in mind that Apple's decision is affecting people, not just the owners of iPads. This has the potential to shake up the industry, somewhat, and as a business owner, that = $$, time and energy.
If it were just a tiny inconvenience, fine, but who is going to design things that won't work on such a (potentially) influential platform?
The repercussions are (again, potentially) far reaching and costing TONS of money, people's careers, etc.
That sounds over dramatic, but it does influence my decisions from a business standpoint (I, personally, won't buy an iPad because of this, but clients are another story).
I hope they'll come to an agreement, but I do fear that this is a battle of egos and that is far more dangerous. I agree it isn't completely Apple's fault, but they do hold the ace here.
- If Apple was the ONLY supplier of web-capable mobile devices, yes, the industry would be in trouble. But that's not the case.Continuity
- monospaced0
So, if Adobe released a browser App that was awesome and ran Flash perfectly well on the iOS, would it be banned from the App Store? Is it a fact that Flash is actually not allowed to run on iOS?
- CyBrain0
'but it continues to be a problem for the industry'
Here's the biggest problem. Client buys a shiny new iPad and wonders why their entire website won't work. They want some new iPad content. Fine, move forward, adapt or outsource if need be. The problem is when the client says. "Can we make all 428 sections of our mostly flash based website iPad compatible?"Another problem: Client gets some new content with HTML 5 and feels the content is a little stiff and not quite as customized and rich as what they're used to after years of Flash. They say "What happened to the quality of last year's site?"
Agency says "That's not quite possible anymore since we started using HTML5."
- they should just buy the FAR superior tablet instead, you know, the one that's better than the iPadmonospaced
- since it's better it'll obviously outsell the iPad by millions, everyone knows that Flash will make the difference in the endmonospaced
- It is a silly argument and one that shouldn't even be taking place, that's kinda the pointformed
- you missed the sarcasm in my comment maybemonospaced
- monospaced0
According to CyBrain, Apple has made a huge mistake not supporting Flash on the iOS and will surely fall to the competition. If this is the case, they won't last another few weeks when tablets that run Flash start outselling the iPad and Android phones take over the mobile market once and for all. Why are you so upset, man?
- Because, of course, as soon as Flash is running on these awesome tablets, the App store will be 100% obsoletemonospaced
- Continuity0
'The problem is when the client says. "Can we make all 428 sections of our mostly flash based website iPad compatible?"'
Part of an agency's responsibility is to inform clients of what's possible and what isn't, give whatever intervening factors exist: technologies, budgets, available talent, whatever it may be.
Clients have ALWAYS been asking for the impossible long before the iPad, and for just about every medium you can think of. A good agency will bring them back to reality.
- Sure, we did that at our agency, but disappointing a client is part of the industry-wide problem I'm talking about.CyBrain
- CyBrain0
"they should just buy the FAR superior tablet instead, you know, the one that's better than the iPad since it's better it'll obviously outsell the iPad by millions,.."
The point is how it affects the industry. If people were smart they'd by a netbook instead of an iPad because of superior functionality, but people don't always adopt the best technology.
BETA/VHS
WINDOWS/MAC OS
etc.- it wasn't the consumers' fault Beta failed, by the waymonospaced
- Continuity0
'The repercussions are (again, potentially) far reaching and costing TONS of money, people's careers, etc.'
formed, did you type this out with a straight face, or are you just taking the piss?
We're not talking about factory automation, here, we're talking about just one internet-capable electronic device in an absolute ocean of them, from desktop PCs to LCD fridge panels.
If someone feels that their career is THAT threatened by Jobs deciding he doesn't Flash player on the iPad, then what is preventing them to learn the skills required to stay relevant?
This is just needless and baseless alarmism.
- He did say potentially. Potentially, meaning if the iPad does what the Model T did for the automotive industry.CyBrain