Firefox 4
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- ukit0
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I think its pretty clear that in posting such links all I'm saying is, hey look at this cool new thing. Without trying to judge whether it can instantly be used in a commercial setting.
Over the long term, sure, I do see Canvas and WebGL as overtaking Flash. But I really don't care that much and certainly not about the timeline...why would I?
Having said that, I don't see where your prediction of 5 -10 years is coming from. One of the biggest misconceptions people seem to have is that we are waiting for years for the spec to be done, when in fact the HTML5 features designers care about - and by that I mean CANVAS, SVG, VIDEO, WebGL and so on - either are done or will be done in a very short time frame.
As an example, Google just posted on their blog that they expect the WebGL spec to be completed this year. And progress in the nightly builds - of course that's important. In case you haven't noticed, its turning into kind of an arms race between Microsoft, Google and Apple - and all of them strongly support HTML5 and are trying to develop it, and push features like WebGL out there, as fast as possible.
Now once that happens, I absolutely agree that doesn't mean it's ready for use on your average web design project. Designers need to show some intelligence in terms of using which technology, same as always.
But why is this even an issue? No one's going to try to use it if they can't figure it out, or if the experience isn't available to the audience they want to reach - in other words, there's nothing to worry about.
I'm just sitting here laughing at the idea that we shouldn't be excited about or talking about new technologies in our field that are on the verge of being implemented, just because there might be a couple years lag before you can use it on your average corporate site.
- It's just like the late 90s again - Wild West Frontier fun! Yeehaw. *pew, pew*detritus
- ukit0
It's funny too because if you go on the Chrome blog, the IE blog, the Mozilla blog...this is what they are talking about - HTML5, CANVAS, WebGL. They talk about it way more than any of us do. Google just put up some pretty impressive demos of WebGL.
Sure, there are glitches, it doesn't run perfect if you have a slow machine but as a proof of concept, it's pretty damn impressive.
It's almost like these people making the browsers think these are going to be viable technologies...what a bunch of neophytes.
- ernexbcn0
Boz is a good man, he just tries that us silly peons don't waste energy on things that can be already done with Flash!
- Boz0
There you go..
I am all for HTML5.. I want Flash to evolve and be replaced with HTML5/WebGL and all that good stuff.. but I just don't see it being ready at Flash level any time soon.
It's exciting what we can do without a plugin now with Canvas but those are in the overall scheme of things pretty simplistic things as far as animation and other things are concerned. And you have to code everything by hand.. no tools etc etc..
THis will change, but I want us to switch to all this in parallel, not killing of something that's clearly better now (Flash) over something half-baked like HTML5/WebGL..
- Boz0
It's not a matter of rendering engine. Safari is just one big pile of steaming shit, crashing and bogging down. Chrome is ok on a Mac, it's fast but has some funky bugs with plugins and Flash but it's ok overall. I have to resize the window sometimes to get focus inside the active area some bugs like this that don't happen on Windows version. Windows version is so much quicker, better.
Firefox 4 works ok so far so I might just go back to it on a more permanent basis.
- ukit0
- Looks like they're going for Chrome-style tabs-on-top.Continuity
- I thought collapsing all the options in that single orange tab was the main innovationukit
- This is what Safari 4 beta's tabs looked like. Apple reverted to tabs-below for the final release.stewdio
- wasn't there a video on discussing the dev process for the new UI? Maybe I just dreamed it.bulletfactory
- whoops - video posted below.bulletfactory
- detritus0
Hey look, another misguided Boz rant.
- you are truly an idiot. Get a life retard.Boz
- +1spraycanII
- spraycanII0
Chrome is the best.period.
- i_monk0
People use Safari?
I'm sure Chrome is just dandy but I have enough Google in my life as it is. Google is the new Microsoft™.
- Boz0
@spraycanII
Yes.. I like Chrome..it's been my default browser for a while now.. but still has a few quirks but overall I do think it's the best browser so far.
I do like Firefox 4 as well.. 3.xx was a huge hog.. it was just slow but this one feels a lot lighter.
- Boz0
well you know it.. and stop bitching how you are not from Yay because you make exact same comments you read or posted on Yay.
Go back there among the cesspool of nobodies and social retards. That's where you blend in perfectly.
- lukus_W0
If Firefox 4 continues to sort out it's performance problems I'll use it full time again.
I've been using Chomium, but Firebug and the Web Dev Toolbar are irreplaceable.
- Boz0
ukit, you are living in a dreamland.. It's all great that webGL might be a cool new 3D API to play with but it's still a pipe dream. The fact that some of these browsers will enable support for it in their own nightly developer beta builds means nothing. It's unusable for professional work, there are absolutely no tools, there is no support, there's nothing.
When we have tools and full on support in all browsers for this we can discuss it and be blown away. But until that moment comes it's nothing but glorified demo.
That being said, I just downloaded Firefox 4 since all browsers on a Mac are shit. Safari 5 blows chunks not rendering half of the sites correctly not to mention that some shit doesn't even show up on pages, Chrome has some funky bugs here and there and Firefox 3 is a DOG.
I just downloaded Firefox 4 Beta 6 and I gotta say..it's snappy as hell.
I just want a browser that will load Flash and JS/CSS cleanly and nicely without any lock ups or crashes or memory hogging.
On Windows I don't have nay problems.. both Firefox and Chrome are excellent. IE8 is craptastic but IE9 seems to be pretty damn good.
But jesus, on a mac browsers blow chunks. Hopefully Firefox 4 works as it has so far.
- Did I say I wanted to use it on a commercial project today? No need to be so defensive about it.ukit
- kalkal0
Can't remember the code names for them but there are supposedly two components that will be in the final version of 4 to drive javascript. Only one of those two components are currently in the beta. The missing one is supposed to add a massive performance increase.
- lukus_W0
- "This page requires a browser that supports WebGL.
Click here to upgrade your browser." - and this is a message on Firefox 4Boz - on Firefox 4Boz
- and ChromeBoz
- and Safari..
so how am I supposed to view these? You get my point.Boz - for firefox 4 go to about:config, search for webgl and enable itlukus_W
- for chrome, download the latest nightly buildlukus_W
- "This page requires a browser that supports WebGL.
- detritus0
Boz, you hormone-addled cro-magnon chump - you've picked up an old thread and started ranting at ukit's post of three months ago speculatively looking forward to the *potential* of WebGL like it's an existant, fully-formed vehicle, and you're calling me an idiot retard?