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- stewdio
Recently a particular thread was removed from QBN, perhaps because the content was bit... "raw." But the questions being raised in that thread are important ones to our design community.
How do we ethically and respectfully create work that directly uses the ideas of our peers? Ideas that can be taken freely but required a good deal of imagination and effort to resolve. In retrospect many ideas appear "easy" or "obvious" but for our community—creators—who make our names by imagining and resolving new things, we know that creativity regardless of the magnitude is hard fought for. We, the designers, creative directors, producers, and clients, need to debate these things (in as civil a manner as possible) and attempt to come to a mutual understanding before we ostracize and cannibalize each other.
Can we give this discussion another go with a little less fussing and feuding? (For a better tomorrow.)
- ********0
just because you had an idea, doesn't make it yours.
- kona0
I've got an idea - an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about.
- cerberus0
The epitome of L.A.
The douchebag that everyone laughs at.
Oh, he thinks he's it.
Yet the butt of all jokes having to do with this town.
Keep on walking, look straight ahead.
They are looking at me.
I am the world.
You starfucker.
You name dropper.
You mirror scraper.
Your money is shit.
You only exist in your own circles.
Custom and Couture fist fucks.
Megalomania ego tucks.
Humble is a word undiscovered in this town.
Hood up
Shades on
Head down
Keep plugging away at your soulless existence.
Make this town proud,
You fit right in.- Can we give this discussion another go with a little less fussing and feuding? (For a better tomorrow.)kona
- Sure. Here's where it all started.
http://vimeo.com/128…monospaced - No kidding. (I was the one who started the original thread btw.)stewdio
- you want a reach around for that stewy? Fuck off.cerberus
- +1********
- damn stewdio, I never said you didn'tmonospaced
- My attempt at humor backfired (apologies). I'll just stick to facts for this thread!stewdio
- Continuity0
Part of what made the whole situation between O'Shea and space150 was the technology involved. OpenCV, in particular, which O'Shea was reportedly heavily involved with, and which is open-source.
So, the complication arises not just from the seeming knocking off of an artist's idea, but also the fact the same artist was involved in developing software.
The Times Square piece knocks off both the concept and the execution, IMO. The agency's weak defense of sort of trying to get O'Shea involved at the beginning doesn't hold water. At the same time, they also use technology developed by the artists.
So, what it comes down to is the agency nicking someone else's work and adapting it for their use, both on an artistic and technological level (although something released under a BSD can't be stolen, as such; but acknowledgement would certainly have been the honourable thing to do).
There's a world of difference between being inspired by a certain work, and out-right aping it, which is what the space150 thing does. Ergo, I think the agency owes O'Shea much more than lip service on a social media website.
As for the director, I'd like to think creatives should and are honour-bound to not be complicit in the sort of thing that space150 did, and should counsel those who would do so otherwise. Clearly, though, that didn't happen.
- I agree with this.stewdio
- <<<utopian
- give acknowledgment because the software was released on a BSD license? ridiculous.kingsteven
- that came out wrong, i totally agree but O'Shea will now be known as the pioneer of this technologykingsteven
- I'd like to believe he's not to shabby at viral promotion having blogged about it for yearskingsteven
- a well placed comment is all it needskingsteven
- i_monk0
Is this about copyright law as it applies to graphic design?
Because I've been using the total lack thereof to justify downloading movies.
- utopian0
space150_bump
- duckofrubber0
I quite liked that other thread.
- ukit0
- kona0
Gizmodo just picked up on the ad. They have no idea of the story behind it...
- ********0
this, to me, is art
- "when i'm not near the woman i love, i love the woman i'm near." - r.s.kona
- rod stewart and a bitch********
- IT'S THE CROP MARKS! THEY'RE FUCKING HILARIOUS********
- THE CROP MARKS ARE THE ART********
- stewdio0
Does the context change the way we should read the Tarantino example? (Since Tarantino emulates these things to celebrate them—they're his favorites. And he'd be happy to talk and praise these influences all day long.) So is that different than the Lion King example? Or the Space150 example?
- Really, I should have asked "how is it different?"stewdio
- Definitely in most of his movies, which are full of references, but I guess people got angry since he never really talked about being influenced by the HK film "City on Fire" when Reservoir Dogs came outukit
- being influenced by the HK film "City on Fire" when Reservoir Dogs came out, despite the fact that many of the scenes are almost exactly the same.ukit
- almost identical.ukit
- rson0
I wonder if Space150's project was built on open frameworks.
- instrmntl0
I'm disappointed that the original thread was deleted.
- ukit0
Obviously the context is pretty critical. Something could be viewed as a tribute or reference rather than a rip off. But I think implicit in that is the idea that the average viewer is aware of that original piece...which isn't really true in any of these examples IMO.
- ukit0
Also the uniqueness of the idea matters. Everyone has to be the first at something, and a lot of things that we view as ordinary or "not original" today were first invented somewhere by someone. If there had been hundreds of Hand From Above type works, I'm sure no one would have minded the Space150 piece. As it is, there was only one, and the concept was appropriated by an agency which then proceeded to give it much wider visibility than the original creator had the ability to and make money off it. There's something that seems wrong there, since society teaches us that people who come up with ideas in the first place should get credit for them.
- cannonball19780
Put your name on it. Done.
