The Hobbit production is going well
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- ETM0
Plenty of time for post processing of the footage. Plus, not every theatre is going to dish out the cash for the projection equipment, so I suspect it will more akin to seeing an IMAX version (ie select screens) and there will be a "standard" version for less state-of-the-art projection equipment.
- CygnusZero40
This is not like switching from bw to color tvs, which everyone saw as a great improvement. I watched a documentary on it. This is more like switchIng from albums to cassettes. Ppl who loved albums did not like what they perceived as a sound difference.
So basically george lucas shoots new star wars movies digitally with advanced chi effects = garbage
James cameron shoots avatar with improved 3d effects = garbage
Peter jackson shoots hobbit in 48fps = garbage
Chris nolan shoots dark knight on film with practical effects and 24fps = highest rated superhero movie of all time?
*sings* which of these things is not like the other
- avatar and new star wars = shitty script and acting and directing. dark knight = good acting and script.monospaced
- almost nothing to do with special effectsmonospaced
- I wouldn't call Dark Knight a great script... the last 20 minutes could have been cut, no need for dent to go crazy, etc.zarkonite
- and the new star wars looked like shit cuz they were shot like shit, I could do better with an 8mm cam.zarkonite
- umm dark knight had a ton of fx in itrobotinc
- climbatree0
fuck, watch it when it comes out judge it for yourself then FUCK UP!
I mean really. 'that thing i haven't see sucks' hmm really? your that guy?
- CygnusZero40
You dont need to watch a 2 hour movie to know what the soap opera effect is when the frame rate is too high.
I have TrueMotion on my Sony TV, I turned it off immediately because it looks ridiculous. Ive not read 1 report from CinemaCon that said it looks great.
Im sure the movie itself will be good, but how it looks, totally different story.
- i'll watch a ripped 720 before it's released anyway. so will most viewers.sine
- CALLES0
I LOVE SOAP OPERAS!!! SO THERE!
- dopepope0
I definitely have seen this effect up close on many films. It's hard to explain if u haven't, but it's very noticible and does affect how you may feel about what you are watching. I called it the 'novella' look. When I saw Avatar in the novella look, I couldn't believe it. It looked like it was being broadcast live from central park. But one thing is for sure, you get used to it. The more you watch like that, the less jolting it gets.
- CygnusZero40
I spent a while testing many blurays on it using the TrueMotion setting, literally like 2 weeks, and I never got used to it. It just looked weird to me all the time. Every time the camera panned or there was some fast action on the screen, it almost looked like that weird pan and scan effect. It so clearly looks processed when the framerate gets too high.
I have a feeling that Jackson had spent so long testing this and shooting the film that he's so used to it now, but I hope he is isn't surprised people are reacting negatively to it. You can't expect someone to just like this effect or force themselves to get used to something that doesn't look good to them.
Even if more directors do this, there will always be those traditional guys like Chris Nolan or the Coen brothers who will never use this. Like I said with the album/cassette comparison, they still make vinyls because there are so many people that still love it. 24fps films are never going away, thank god.
- Im starting to look at Jackson as a technology whore like Lucas and Cameron. Just shoehorn all the latest shit in.CygnusZero4
- Sorry I said TrueMotion, on the Sony its called MotionFlow.CygnusZero4
- dopepope0
Even if it's shot that way, it still has to be displayed that way. And current theatres aren't set up to display at that frame rate. Avatar didn't look like a soap opera in the theatres. Just on new, state of he art hd tvs. Which is what I'm guessing he demonstrated his Hobbit footage with.
- mekk0
they want to make it 48fps. facepalm
- CALLES0
well some video games are 60
- Quite different though with games to live action films.CygnusZero4
- ApeRobot0
The frames rate reduce motion blur. Witch is some sort of "in your face " 3D effect killer.
It is supposed to make it more comfortable for the eyes watching stereoscopic movies.
- mekk0
yup, left image+right image = 2 images, 24fps*2images... BUT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE SHIT!
- CygnusZero40
I read somewhere that the Hobbit can still be viewed in 24fps, so this may not even be that big of a deal. I dont know how it all works, I just know about the effect that all these people are describing when they saw it.
I know a lot of people do like all this 3D super smooth motion stuff, Avatar really got this kicked off, and you cant even buy an LED TV that doesnt have 3D built into it, so I know it's not going away and what I personally think about it is irrelevant, but I still just like good old fashioned movies that look normal. No 3D (I get dizzy from it), and no motion flow.
- fucking hate this 3D thing.....even if it is part of my job for more than 10 years.ApeRobot
- fadein110
^ my LED TV hasn't got 3D :(
agree though - Avatar worked well but I like a plain old flat film me.
- zarkonite0
Shooting at 24fps with a 180' shutter angle is the same as 48fps at 360' angle. They both expose the film for 1/48th of a second, the main difference is that at 24fps you "blank out" for 1/48th between frames... the motion blur is the same however, you just get "all" the frames instead of 1 out of 2.
That being said, projectors in cinemas are usually projecting at 48fps, pulled up from the original 24fps stock... so don't worry about the look of this one, if anything, it's going to be Peter Jackson's aesthetic choices that will make this ugly and not the technology.
- zarkonite0
Now can we get back to talking about the scourge that is crushed blacks?
- 20120
I guess the danger is that it ends up looking like a bunch of people acting out The Hobbit at a medieval fair instead of a real movie.
- CALLES0
just dont mention that Jackson is like a gizillion times better filmmaker then Nolan
;)
.... wait forrr ittttt