Draw Mo for Free Speech
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- Dodecahedron0
what does intentionally being disrespectful towards a large spectrum of people's religious values have anything to do with 'free speech'? They pulled the Mohammed thing from southpark because its inappropriately offensive, not because of terrorists and not because their rights were being infringed upon. The south park guys think like 14 year olds.
- quack0
it's not that big of deal dodecadipshit... maybe free speech is lost on you
http://images.google.com/images?…- that is freedomquack
- der...its a value of Islam to not represent their prophet, they can critisize Islam or religious values in many other ways.Dodecahedron
- of islam, it is not the place of those who do not follow what you preach to respect those beliefsquack
- quack thinks googling shitty Jesus images is freedom because he's 14Dodecahedron
- its called respect fool. Its also called intelligence, maturity. NO one has to be belligerent to make a pointDodecahedron
- i laughed @ the linkdMullins
- ukit0
Actually they pulled it because they were getting death threats.
- Dodecahedron0
So they get a few random 'death threats' but sitll would have offended a huge number of perfectly peaceful intelligent people if they did run it...but they pulled because of the death threats. Bullshit. I'm pretty sure they got realistic letters from Islamic human rights organisations too.
- your freedom ends where other's begins. In other words, don't push your beliefs on others.zarkonite
- quack0
In my religion, I am offended if any user named Dodecahedron posts on QBN, anything you willfully do is intentionally disrespectful and you will be dealt with as such with swift recourse
- ok whateverDodecahedron
- see what happens when religion puts its restraints around their "non believers"quack
- you make zero point. I'm chinese, not white, so i'll say nigger all I wantDodecahedron
- so you do understand the term free speech...quack
- ukit0
Yeah, "death threats" ahahahaha
It's not like militant Islamic groups would ever, you know, resort to violence to make a political point or anything.
- terrorists are political groups, proper Islamic organisations are peaceful and smartDodecahedron
- And who do you think was calling them up with death threats? Who tried to kill the Dutch cartoonists?ukit
- Maybe not terrorists, but certainly not peaceful organizationsukit
- who do you think asked them directly to simply remove it because its unnecessarily antagonistic?Dodecahedron
- You can't be overtly racist on tv can you? This is similar territory and that point was made by people who arn't terroristsDodecahedron
- Dude, you are living in a fantasy world. Read the news, they pulled it b/c of threatsukit
- and letters and pressure from human rights organizsations.Dodecahedron
- Ya, I just those concerned letters along with "I will kill your family if you publish this" makes for a persuasive argumentukit
- they were different letters from the so called death theats obvioulsy but you must be 13Dodecahedron
- ukit0
Anyway, the point is South Park is just a cable TV show. People can choose to watch it or not watch it.
I watched the first half of the show and Ironically the whole point was all the people they insulted were gathering together to figure out how they could get revenge. They decided to try and steal Mohammed's secret powers since he is the only one who is beyond criticism.
- Dodecahedron0
yeah its a tv show and unsuitable content is pulled from tv shows all the time. Hey children why not celebrate this day with mass porn uploading to youtube?! weeee
- ukit0
So if there was a TV show insulting scientologists would it get pulled? I call bullshit in this double standard.
South Park had an entire show devoted to making fun of Mormonism which was pretty damn funny and didn't get pulled.
- insulting/offending people isn't the point being derogatory and intentionally belligerent is anotherDodecahedron
- whatever the words you use there's a threashhold all mainstream TV abides by and frankly I think this is one of those. More than terrorists made that point to CCDodecahedron
- You are parsing words...there's no difference at allukit
- those examples and way more than terrorists made that point to CCDodecahedron
- Obviously there is a difference whatever the words are.Dodecahedron
- I'm sure they get letters ALL THE TIME from various groups complaining...only Muslims will take it to the level of actually threatening violenceukit
- threatening violenceukit
- Actually, there was a South Park episode ripping on scientology. It was damned hilarious, too.Continuity
- Dodecahedron0
OMG, that is prejudice. Only muslims threaten violence? The only category of people who threaten violence over TV are extremists and they ain't all muslim.
- ukit0
Dude, I have nothing against Muslims, I'm just saying they have shown time and time again they will engage in violent threats to stop people from doing something as simple as depicting Mohammed. That's wrong and I'm not sure why you are defending it.
I got no problem with concerned groups writing letters, everyone does that. But when you are threatening someone's life to shut them up, I get angry about that.
- one or two might and that becomes the entire issue. They got perfectly legit legal threats too you know.Dodecahedron
- georgesIII0
I'm about to offend an entire belief system.
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- dog_opus0
The point is that it is time for Islam to grow up and join the modern era. I personally find "Piss Christ" to be revolting and vile, but you know what? Not only do I not think the idiot who did it should be killed, but I somehow manage to live with being offended because I think free speech is an ideal worth being offended over from time to time.
- Dang, sorry about that last run-on sentence. loldog_opus
- same here, but the sad thing is that the major part of muslim are really non violent people,georgesIII
- Yeah, I'm not saying Muslims are bad people — just that the ideology lends itself to intolerance and violence.dog_opus
- ukit0
- ukit0
Listen, bottom line, if you want to go and live in an Islamic country...then fine. Make as harsh of laws as you want censoring this or that in order to stay true to your belief system. But in most Western countries we have secular governments and freedom of speech so that should be the standard.
- Dodecahedron0
There's nothing wrong with holding your sacred values...SACRED. Why does the mainstream entertainment world get to run rampant on peoples cultural values in the name of some non existant modern attitude of 'freedom' ? South Park has no higher values than ratings, I'm pretty sure Islam does.
- *nonexistent Also, if you don't like South Park (or any other TV show), don't tune in.dog_opus
- i do actually, i like it but i know when its being pointlessly childish and obnoxious for the sake of attentionDodecahedron
- Then don't give it attention. See how simple it is?dog_opus
- you must be slow or somethingDodecahedron
- Rather than juvenile name-calling, why don't you point out, rationally and civilly, why you think I'm wrong?dog_opus
- i didn't name call you nothing i said you were slow, and you just proved it because you don't get my pointDodecahedron
- The point of free speech protection (made necessary by offense) is completely lost on you. "Non existant" if you will.dog_opus
- Dodecahedron0
South Park has nothing to do with freedom of speech or religion, its actually behaving more AGAINST freedom of religion considering its intentions.
- look into how south park has whittled away at the walls of the FCCquack
- ukit0
Well personally I find it offensive that women in Iran are forced to wear the burqa, or that in some parts of Pakistan they still stone people to death for adultery, or that African women in some countries undergo sexual mutilation...
Am I gonna roll down to those places and demanding they stop? No, because I respect that there may be differences of culture even if I find some of them personally offensive or even abhorrent.
- why wouldn't you demand it stop? millions of people are in those countries, join the fightDodecahedron
- Sure, resort to violence? Also those are all examples where people are actually harmed,ukit
- .I'm not sure this has anything to do with Islamic values though, these are human rights abuses made by tyrannical selfish governmentsDodecahedron
- ....power mongering regimes. You should learn about Islam and its people.Dodecahedron
- No, I'm not saying it does...well the burqa example maybe...just that diff countries have diff ways of livingukit
- It's not always because of a tyrannical regime. Islamic women don't necessarily feel oppressed by having to wear a burqa - It is their religion that they follow.orrinward
- burqa. it is their religion that they follow that governs it.orrinward
- The same argument could then be applied to ritual piercing in certain cultures.orrinward
