Art of the Day Thread
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- grafician-1
- o, it's paintings...I should start painting ai generated lolcubes
https://www.qbn.com/…uan
- o, it's paintings...I should start painting ai generated lolcubes
- renderedred0
Does Beeple Deserve a Museum Exhibition?
- I don't have a problem with it. The guy creates art every day themed with current events or social commentary. You could say 'anyone can do that' ...microkorg
- ... but isn't that the same for a lot of art?
Met him at NFC Lisbon this year and seems like a good guy generous with time and chat.microkorg - Too early to make a judgement. Bansky managed to pull it off.
In my opinion, it's about taking part in the artworld discourse.Right now he doesn't have a voicepalimpsest - Who decides?robthelad
- It's already decided, he **does** have an exhibition.
As with everything else, the rest are just comments on it.palimpsest
- PhanLo4
Louis Legrand (French, 1863 -1951)
The Apache's Supper - The dinner of the scoundrels 1901
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- palimpsest-2
Re: https://www.qbn.com/reply/413452…
# Beeple: Outside the Artworld
Beeple’s recent museum exhibition raises questions about his place in the artworld and whether NFTs, the medium tied to his rise, hold any artistic merit. While I recognize Beeple's cultural relevance, I argue that he remains outside the core discourse of the artworld. Furthermore, NFTs, despite their association with digital art, are fundamentally detached from the artistic process and represent tools of capitalist speculation rather than a legitimate art medium.
## Beeple’s Place in the Artworld
### Recognition as an Artist:
Beeple’s work reflects a keen ability to stay on top of trends and offer sharp social commentary. His pieces capture the zeitgeist of our digital and political landscapes, making him culturally relevant. This relevance alone justifies his recognition and exhibitions as a *digital artist*.### Missing Artworld Discourse:
However, being a recognized artist does not inherently place Beeple within the institutional artworld. A defining characteristic of an artist in this realm is their active participation in the artworld's discourse—critiquing, questioning, or contributing to its evolving ideas and frameworks.Artists like Banksy, who also emerged outside the institutional system, managed to integrate by addressing the artworld directly through their work, critiques, and interactions with its structures. Beeple, in contrast, has yet to engage deeply with this discourse. His work is often more about representing digital culture and trends than contributing to the philosophical or aesthetic conversations central to the artworld.
## NFTs: A Tool of Speculation, Not Art
### What NFTs Are:
NFTs (Non-Fungible Tokens) are fundamentally **tokens of ownership** rather than the artwork itself. Technically, when purchasing an NFT, one acquires a token linked to an image or file, not the image or file itself. This separation underscores their role as commodities rather than creative mediums.### Lack of Artistic Transformation:
Unlike historical innovations like oil paints or photography, which reshaped artistic practices and challenged the boundaries of art, NFTs do not offer such transformative potential.
- **Oil painting** introduced portability and precision, allowing movements like Impressionism to flourish.
- **Photography** revolutionized representation and questioned realism, redefining the artist’s role.
NFTs, in contrast, do not affect how art is created, understood, or experienced. They are tools for commodification, emphasizing scarcity and ownership over artistic innovation.### NFTs and Capitalist Speculation:
The primary function of NFTs lies in facilitating transactions and creating speculative markets. Their value is driven by scarcity and hype rather than any inherent artistic merit. This focus on market dynamics over creativity distances NFTs from the artworld’s conceptual and aesthetic concerns.## Conclusion: Beeple and NFTs in Context
Beeple deserves recognition for his contributions to digital culture and his relevance as a cultural commentator. His exhibition reflects the growing interest in digital art but should be seen as a celebration of a digital phenomenon rather than an affirmation of his place in the artworld.
Similarly, NFTs, while innovative in a technological sense, do not belong in the artworld. They do not transform art practices or contribute to artistic discourse. Instead, they represent a capitalist mechanism for trading digital assets, detached from the essence of what art is or aims to achieve.
If Beeple is to be fully integrated into the artworld, it will require a shift away from the speculative hype of NFTs and toward meaningful engagement with the artworld’s ongoing conversations about art, its purpose, and its evolving nature.
Made *with* ChatGPT
- Haven't downvoted but I do think ChatGPT is talking out its bottom here. NFTs have nothing to do with whether Beeplemicrokorg
- deserves a museum exhibit or not. Only a tiny amount of his work are NFTs but GPT is putting a big focus on that is being one of the 'against' reasons.microkorg
- I'll relay the message.
The article makes an argument for NFTs:
His NFT Everydays: The First 5000 Days, which sold at Christie’s in 2021 for a historic $69.3 mpalimpsest - And ChatGPT just told me to say that Beeple's work cannot be dissociate from the NFT hype.palimpsest
- It was relevant only in the context of the NFTs market. A crypto guy bought it. It was a fad. But $69M for his 15mins of fame = great ROI!grafician
- < chat was right heregrafician
- More like ChadGPT, amitite?palimpsest
- Sure, you just asked it.grafician
- grafician3
The Immortal (Floppy Disk Canvas), Nick Gentry (2011)
- Gardener1
'Banana sleeve in fruit bowl' - priceless
- renderedred2
Biggest Art Heists in History
- Gardener4
Camgirl With a Pearl Earring
- srhadden0
How is this not just a plotter? A very slow and low-resolution plotter. All its speeches are pre-written mumbo jumbo by the owners. It's just an arm plotting a pencil or dipping a brush in prepared pots of paint.
It's not able to clean brushes between colors, so unless humans switch brushes between colors the marks progressively become sloppier. It can't set up its own paints or choose colors, this all has to be prechosen, laid out and mapped by humans.
There's no decision in mark making. The marks it makes are just the result of how content the programmers are with how they can get the arm to perform, which is then always identical, except maybe for when excess paint acumulates on a brush. But it's also not aware of the amount of paint on the brush, it just mechanistically transfers the brush between the pots and the paper.
The result of this process is then supposedly 'inspired' by expressionism, whereas that is simply the painterly style that closest resembles the best this machine can do.
It doesn't really paint from live models. The computer inside has to be fed a photograph (or captured by the eye camera) which the arm then plots. Any layering or decisions about the styles for each layer are all executed by humans.
There are almost zero process videos of this machine. Certainly no videos of the whole process from start to finish. Because it's all just a bunch of humans creating art, with elements of it plotted by this machine. All the decisions and 'embillishments' and touch-ups that cause the artworks to look like complete objects are man made. The sculptures are even more farcical in that respect.
The owners suggesting that some people find this scary and problematic is obviously just them manipulating the narrative by implying that this machine is somehow cutting-edge.
Not saying that the images are worthless, but they are for the most part created by humans who are using a paint plotter, then placing the plotter front and center trying to convince people the plotter is actually the one who created the artworks.
This machine is the equivalent of smearing some paints on the CMYK heads of a printer, adding a cell phone running chat GPT told beforehand to spew bullshit about dystopic literature and cybernetic art to any question asked, dressing the wole contraption in coveralls and calling it an 'ai artist'.
