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- eieio0
what about mind body religions? or the mind body morality of Jesus? Non of these sages and yogis tried to explain away material reality they tried to subscribe ways of living and dieing to understanding a larger reality, one beyond your death. It does in fact exist because the world will go when you're dead, and you should live for that greater reality if only for the others who will be around then.
Atheistic nihilists say the material universe is perfectly ordered and predictable AND totally meaningless. Its a dead end and inhuman philosophy. Not sure its close to any truth whatsoever and is most frequently used to make life useless and kill people. Where is the room for human reality?
- you're saying atheistic nihilists are using their beliefs to kill people. then you suggest that because it is not cheerful it must be flawedscarabin
- be flawedscarabin
- am i right?scarabin
- *cheerful?eieio
- no you not right you're not understanding. Atheists don't consider human realityeieio
- meaning is all through your life, you're life has inf fact a meaning but you can't understand that with atheistic nihilismeieio
- "Its a dead end and inhuman philosophy"scarabin
- you can with certain atheistic attitudes thats what Buddhism is but modern western atheism is nihilisticeieio
- death sucks. i'm used to the idea.scarabin
- ordered? at least its somewhat MEASURED!ephix
- that has nothing to do with cheer and everything to do with making a consistent world vieweieio
- sure you can measure the mind fucks you have. but you can't show any one else.ephix
- so what's the meaning of life?scarabin
- jelly beansephix
- i'm pretty sure more people have been murdered in the name of god than anything else, everscarabin
- oh but it was the "old testament" scarabin.ephix
- if they really believed that. then the 10 commandments dont count either.ephix
- ukit0
- miesvan0
Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
- ukit0
Why is accepting reality the way it is "nihilism?"
Atheism doesn't rule out believing in a larger reality or that the world goes on after your death. All we are saying is that all these stories about Noah and the Ark, some guy getting eaten by a whale, and for that matter, the idea of heaven and hell...it's bullshit.
- d_rek0
You're wrong and I am right.
- GeorgesII0
no you're wrong and I'am always right
- eieio0
accepting reality isn't nihilistic I didn't say that. Accepting reality is very buddhist thing and Christian and also the reason why they're sometimes confused with nihilism. Modern atheism is nihilistic because it fails at human reality unlike Christ and Buddhas world views, one has God one doesn't.
- ukit0
Let's just live and let live. Except when Christians say we can't have abortions, do scientific research, or let gays have equal rights. We'll just let those ones slide.
- * some Christians! and that has nothing to do with their Christianity.eieio
- I'm sure there's plenty other perfectly secular people who are opposed to abortioneieio
- this is a human rights issue obviously. Religion is on both sides of that.eieio
- Which religion is on the gay side? I've never seen that, other than some reformist sects of Christianity.ukit
- ukit0
How does it fail at human reality? Atheism doesn't try to address human reality. Atheism isn't a philosophy or all-encompassing way to live your life. It's just the idea that there is no God. If you want to attach a larger philosophy to that belief, go for it.
- ukit0
i.e., atheism isn't a competitor to or the opposite of Christianity or Buddhism. it's the opposite of theism.
- its NOT opposite theism athiesm is a theism look at the wordeieio
- Nopeukit
- yepeieio
- no, the word means 'without theism', such as apolitical is teh opposite of politicaltoiletwolf
- eieio0
buddism is atheistic and is exactly what you're saying in the second sentence ukit. This modern atheism that supposedly is based on nothing except abstracted scientific facts God) (that have nothing to do with and also 'doesn't consider human reality' is a big fail. It has nothing which is nothing.
- CygnusZero40
Im on ukits side. Im sort of in between. I wont worship something when I dont even know what it is, and that doesnt make me a bad guy.
For all we know the planets are just cells within some giant cosmic cow, one of millions. Who the fuck knows. Believe whatever you want, but I dont like when people try to tell me that they KNOW this or that. Our useless minds dont know anything, and thats the way its supposed to be.
- ukit0
You're misunderstanding it eieio. Atheism isn't intended to address how to live your life, you could be an atheist and also a humanist, for instance, like Kurt Vonnegut was. Just like you can be a theist and also a Christian.
- sure but a big side of the athiesm as being subscribed by peple on the net has no greater human message. Kurt does thougheieio
- In this thread. I'm not generalizing hereeieio
- The irony is that you've been complaining the whole time about generalizations made about religious people.ukit
- When you're more than happy to make the same generalizations about atheists and agnostics.ukit
- omg man i just gave you perspective on atheism. Buddhists are atheistic agnostic. I ain't generalising about nothingeieio
- You said modern atheists are nihilists and lack understanding of human reality. HUGE generalization there.ukit
- The ones in this thread are and thats very specific.eieio
- ukit0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The…
Theism in the broadest sense is the belief in at least one deity.[1][2] In a more specific sense, theism refers to a particular doctrine concerning the nature of a god and its relationship to the universe.
The claim of no knowledge, no faith or a complete rejection of theism is known as agnosticism, atheism or antitheism, respectively.
- They ARE oppositesukit
- What about those of us that are indifferent. I dont know if there is a god, if there is, if he's even aware of us.CygnusZero4
- So what does that make me?CygnusZero4
- Agnosticukit
- That's what I amukit
- Sweet. always wanted one of these cool titles.CygnusZero4
- It's a rejection of deities. Non-dualism.IRNlun6
- a– "without"
gnosis– "knowing"scarabin - I would never reject that there is a deity. No way for me to know if there is or isnt. Same goes for all of you.CygnusZero4
- GeorgesII0
what I get from this thread,
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All christian are gun toting, abortion banning, race dividing, science hating ignorants, all of them!!!
and they also all believe that the pope is above controversy even when the entire catholic religious organisation knew and hid the facts, so all catholics are pedophiles and enjoy fucking little boys,
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God is just a child thing like santa claus, and no ONE should be allowed to believe in it, because it just, errrr stupid,
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this is the usual circlejerk that comes out from all the religious qbn threads,
I don't know who pointed it, but we never discuss Islam (don't they hate us for our freedom) and Hebraism (they control hollywood dude),
we rather keep on masturbating about how cool we are for confronting those damm Xtians stupid beliefs,- Taking that to extremes, no? I diont care who believes in what, but dont try to make me see things your way.CygnusZero4
- Im agnostic! =)CygnusZero4
- I'm not even christian, I just learned to respect the other belief, read all message and filter the other 1000 threadsGeorgesII
- lol cignus, just say it, you hate us for our freedomGeorgesII
- Thats the way it should be. Religion makes some people just feel better, and thats fine by men. Whatever works.CygnusZero4
- what?CygnusZero4
- you're not respecting our belief that your religion is ridiculousscarabin
- CALLES0
would people be upset if they start a "jews" or"blacks" or even "whites" thread?
- ukit0
There is actually a pretty large "humanist" movement that tries to address many of the philosophical issues around atheism/ agnosticism.
- Buddhists?eieio
- No...secular humanism. Vonnegut, Isaac Asimov, and Carl Sagan were all involved with this movement.ukit
- Vonnegut was President of the American Humanism orgukit
- it similar to Buddhism is the pointeieio
- LOL, call it Buddhism if it makes you feel better. The point is, this is a superset of atheism.ukit
- Believing in God or not believing is the only question atheism tries to addressukit
- Buddism has deities so it is not like Atheism in that context.IRNlun6
- scarabin0
1. there are more conclusions leapt to in that one post than in the entire rest of the thread
2. yes, god is a child thing like santa clause, but you're free to go around believing in him. just don't expect to not get picked on by the older kids.
3. now you're trying to shift the focus to islam?
- have we ever discussed it or made fun of it,
GeorgesII - nobody cares about islam http://farm4.static.…scarabin
- have we ever discussed it or made fun of it,