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- inhaler970
I really have a hard time with people saying that they should get an ipod touch. It really shows their limit in thinking about the potential something like the ipad can present. Just in Publishing itself, nytimes, wsj, wired, making interactive subscriptions for their publications I think it truly lends itself to that medium.
The ipad is truly that object between the tablet, the pc, and id even say the Ipod touch. If you want to read things or view video and the web on an Ipod touch screen, fine, go with it. But I don't want to squint and swipe my finger every three sentences to read an article or a book. Add audio and video to the equation, maybe some animation, it truly becomes dynamic media.
As far as the money goes I believe people will pay a small fee, not too high, for subscriptions. On my iphone I pay about 6 bucks for 6 months worth of McSweeny's subscription, which include video. Dude, a DOLLAR A MONTH is nothing for some entertainment. This is the new economy.
Criticize it all you want, it can be the technology of the future.
- ernexbcn0
lukus_W c'mon man you can't be serious, this is the same model as consoles and nothing has happened there:
- The console manufacturer has to authorize you to sell games for their device
- The console manufacturer gets a profit from each title sold by third parties
- The console manufacturer has to approve you as a third party developer usually involving a significant amount of money in exchange for the software development kitAnd that business has been going on for quite some time without problems or anyone complaining about "alternate app stores available"
- Is this why the PC market for games is the largest in the world?detritus
- Those games pay plenty of royalties too. It's the system. It's not truly "open" when it's tied to hardware.monospaced
- consoles is were the money's at right now detritus, PCs are only for MMOs these daysernexbcn
- people havent complain because in game world there's an alternative: PC gamesspraycan
- utopian0
Both options suck monkey balls.
- lukus_W0
I'm just trying to think how all this is going to play out in the future. What will the world be like in say, 30 years time, if we allow single corporations to have full control over a marketplace.
I think it would lead to the world being far more shit than it already is.
- Let's try it and see. I predict rainbows and unicorns.ukit
- monospaced0
Exactly, emexbcn. The fact of the matter is that a few years ago Apple had a minority share of the PC market and neither the iPhone, the iTunes/App Stores nor the iPod existed. Apple took a fucking huge risk releasing an mp3 player into the market, and did it again into a saturated phone device market. EVERY SINGLE competitor out there has had plenty of time to improve on what Apple has achieved, and in many cases they have, but you simply cannot blame them for being successful.
- lukus_W0
@emexbcn;
Re: games consoles
Recently Sony removed OtherOS support from the PS3 via a firmware update, to ensure that their games console remains closed (and unhackable).
They've _removed_ a feature that some people based their initial purchase on.
It's another example of consumer freedom being restricted to ensure their system remains closed. I think it's wrong.
- inteliboy0
what is this "closed platform" bullshit?? "lack of freedom"??
The way the hacker nerds carry on is as if Apple has created some kind of evil nazi device. Get a fkn grip.
The iPad (and these devices in general) aren't supposed to be full blown computers you know.... but are just simple devices to consume digital content. And that is okay. Really. Everything is going to be okay.
No one bitches about the xbox's closed plaform, or nintendo's, or nokia's, or all the half-assed plasticy junk tablets etc. Why? Because it just doesn't matter. Lighten up.
- Apple flavour koolaid anyone ;)lukus_W
- Wake up, lukus_W. Closed systems are everywhere. Every brand, every restaurant.monospaced
- It depresses me that anyone who's critical is labelled a crank.lukus_W
- lol. Join the club, buddy. ;)monospaced
- ernexbcn0
@lukus_W yeah I'm totally aware of the OtherOS issue with the new firmware of the PS3, that's total fucking bullshit because that was an advertised feature, and they also used that feature as an argument to try to prove that the PS3 was not a gaming device but a computing device (to get lower taxes for importing it).
What Sony should do is offer a refund to any owner of a fat PS3 who requests it, because the only option they give you to retain that functionality is lose the ability to play online, access the PSN and in the future lose the ability to play new games (that require newer firmware) and even playing newer blu-ray titles.
- lukus_W0
@emexbcn;
My point is simple: Corporations should be accountable.
This can either happen through legislation OR by forcing competition within their internally invented markets.
If I can choose where I buy my Apps or whatever - I can vote with my cash if Apple or Sony or whoever do something shit.
- I don't comprehend your logicmonospaced
- yeah but Apple hasn't taken away functionality from a device yet like in this case Sony didernexbcn
- Read about people who've had problems with the App approval process.lukus_W
- If you think Apple isn't accountable, you're on crack. Everyone has been watching their every move.monospaced
- not being approved it's not the same as what Sony did with their PS3ernexbcn
- not being approved is the same issue - a corporation calling the shots without _needing_ to be accountablelukus_W
- ernexbcn0
@detritus PC gaming is a huge market but the publishers are making money now it's on the consoles (because it's harder to pirate them). Most PC gaming studios are making console only titles now.
Blizzard and Valve are the US studios making more money on the PC now, the rest I'd say are korean MMOs and other PC games like Farmville and Facebook games
- Totally, but competing distribution platforms are available for the PC.lukus_W
- That's a good thing for the consumer.lukus_W
- PCs are not "walled gardens" like the iPad/iPhone or PS3 or Xbox 360ernexbcn
- There are SDKs and ways of publishing. Walled isn't exactly the case if there are clearly doors.monospaced
- Anyways, when you purchase that PC in the first place, royalties are going to Intel and Microsoft at some point.monospaced
- ernexbcn0
@lukus_W I read concerns about computing becoming what the iPad currently is, but I don't that will happen. Meaning you can't code an iPad/iPhone app on those devices, you still need a full desktop or laptop with Mac OS X. And content creation people will stil require modern computers with modern operating systems.
So I don't think that Windows or Mac OS X will got the App Store ever, that's working for the moment for these new devices that aren't really full fledged computers but are really capable of some of the more common computing tasks.
- and scientists, and architects, engineers, etc etc etc. both will coexisternexbcn
- lukus_W0
@emexbcn;
Yeah, but the iPad is going to work. People are going to love it, and digital content creators will love it even more (because IP can be sold successfully).
I'd be willing to bet that they'll be more classes of device produced which use the same 'App Store' model / closed-system in the future.
Anyway, I've made my points as best as I can ;)
Hopefully I am just being totally reactionary and over-the-top. I guess time will tell.
- Trust me, publishers will provide their content to other devices.monospaced
- bingoinhaler97
- GeorgesII0
@ emexbcn and lukus_w
just get the frackin thing ok, try it, if you don't like it return it,both of you just know that no matter what you chose, you'll always have friends on QBN,
*pats both of them on the back
- clearThoughts0
GEEK
- clearThoughts0
potentially distractive pair of tits on this one.
- I'll be in my bunkernexbcn
- what a dull reviewGeorgesII
- but she has great boobageGeorgesII
- Yeah - the boobs make up for her incompetence at doing a review. Would you rather have a fat, bold guy that actually knows what he's talking about?clearThoughts
- talking about?clearThoughts
- the "unboxing" videos are fucking dumb. so many people do them, as if 1 isn't enough.mg33
- whatthefunk0
I think the real issue is an additional service plan for internet for any mobile device. I'm considering purchasing this Verizon Wireless MiFi™2200 Intelligent Mobile Hotspot http://www.verizonwireless.com/b… so that I can power my ipod touch, ipad and laptop off the same hotspot compared to purchasing 3 different plans. I'll get an iphone if/when it comes out on verizon but until then I can't justify purchasing various plans for different devices. This issue bothers me.
- clearThoughts0
I'm thinking of getting one of this for when I go away on holidays...
It would connect my Macbook Pro, iPod, iPhone and iPad all in one go.
- raf0
Lukus, your idea to let the corruptible bureaucrat muppets in governments decide how stuff should be sold is what scares me. It's not the corporations that brought the current crisis on us as you say, it was mostly government control (ie. political-correctness driven Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae). They keep telling it was the lack thereof because they want more – and this is what they're getting.
Don't worry about monopolies, they always fail, they're unsustainable in the long run. Worry if they get politicians to rig the system for them. Letting governments decide about markets is a perfect door for it.
What is important is to have diversity. There are closed systems and open systems, this is a healthy situation. If you force all systems to be open, you ironically get less options: no closed systems.Let the corporations fight each other competing. It is always good for the end customer who gets a cheap and developed product. American working class was the first in the world to be able to afford luxury products like cars. All thanks to hard competition.
The beauty of free market is also there is always a place for a David amongst Goliaths. This is more true now than ever. Facebook was founded in 2004 in a dorm room.
The Crunchpad story, failed for organisational reasons, showed how easy it was to produce a touchpad tablet. Almost anyone can make one and they will.- Yeah, but it's the fact politicians are corruptible that's the problem. We need to reduce the possibility of lobbying maybe?lukus_W
- maybe?lukus_W
- I think part of the reason we're in this mess, is because there was a lack of regulation. Maybe economists would agree.lukus_W
- But I understand your fears about gov. control. I do think that laws and legislation does have a place in society though.lukus_W
- *dolukus_W
- Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely (Lord Acton, some 130 years ago).raf
- You want to give politicians more power, what a fantastic idea.raf
- No - I want to make corporations accountable to us.lukus_W
- The way things are heading .. this is becoming less likely - we rely on them _hopefully_ doing the right thing.lukus_W
- ... but yeah, politics needs to be cleaned up somehow first.lukus_W
- By giving them more power? Over what we smoke, eat, drink, what tablets use?raf
- "Socialism means slavery." - also Acton, in 19th century.raf
- Socialism doesn't mean slavely -> that's bullshit. The US media tells you that, but it's not true.lukus_W
- Socialism is just about putting people before profit -> it's a tonic to extreme commercialism / capitalism.lukus_W
- It coexists with capitalism and moderates it - keeps it focused and balanced.lukus_W
- Banks could fuck up 'cause they had govt. guarantees. This means they had zero responsibility, no risk at all.raf
- Every so often we need to ask - is this good for society. < when you ask that, it's socialism in action.lukus_W
- Parts of the gov. will need to be dismantled .. but that doesn't mean all gov. is bad.lukus_W
- Socialism is destructive, it takes away freedom for the price of comfort. You have no responsibility for your actions.raf
- You lose your job, the govt. pays you. You're a single mom - there is no better gig in terms of job security.raf
- Socialism != nazism, communism or fascism .. the US media is completely out of order for spreading this nonsense.lukus_W
- The idea that ALL people take advantage of benefits and milk the system is wrong ..lukus_W
- It's not a reason to stop caring as a society.lukus_W
- "people initiative" and philanthropy are natural parts of healthy free market capitalism, don't make it socialism :)raf
- The alternative is to let people starve, die and rot when they're faced with adversity.lukus_W
- SOCIALISM IS ABOUT PUTTING PEOPLE BEFORE PROFIT. Occasionally that's a good thing ;)lukus_W
- Socialism and capitalism are compatible.lukus_W
- "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" –who said that? :)raf
- ... someone with a lot of money, no doubt ;)lukus_W
- btw, the bank system is rigged for them: you must use their services to run a business.raf
- We just need to find good ways to implement 'people initiatives' / 'philanthropy' -> sometimes it's logical for the gov. to implement the solutions.lukus_W
- monetary system is rigged: you cannot print your own currencyraf
- the solutions.lukus_W
- I do sympathise with the idea that big government is a bad thing.. but the answer is somewhere in the middle, imo.lukus_W
- We need regulatory frameworks which are intelligent and fair - in terms of digital stuff, some of these frameworks still need to be invented.lukus_W
- be invented.lukus_W
- It seems logical, how come it never works? Have you seen a good EU website? they all cost fortune each...raf
- Well, yeah the EU is another problem .. it's difficult. I have no idea what's best to be honest.lukus_W
- I just have a hunch that corporations aren't going to put us first, unless they have to.lukus_W
- I don't really know where the answer is, I just feel taking risk from people's lives is destructive, kills healthy instinctraf
- And I agree with that (Maggie Thatcher) quote: EU economy is in agony. Socialism's problem is it is not sustainable.raf
- \8=======D/ COCKBOAT! holy shit guys, 40+ comments!ernexbcn
- class dismissedmonospaced
- Hahaha... I just love socialist/capitalist banter with lukus_W, missed it :)raf
- GeorgesII0
why take it appart minutes after getting it?
- Why not? You're assuming they can't put it back together again.detritus
- to manufacture something similar and sell it for $100clearThoughts
- it's gadget PORNernexbcn
- yeah, I forgot the good ol' Gporn,
now that I look at it, I can appreciate the forms and holes, BRBGeorgesII - brbGeorgesII
- *passes George a tissue*detritus
- no need, Detritus,
I always fap on my balcony....GeorgesII
