Does HTML5 really beat Flash?
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- spraycan0
- hahahspraycan
- his site is flash though....SPECTACULAR
- broken.. never plays the sick intro! ;)ifeltdave
- HIP-ocriteideaist
- ukit0
- detritus0
"According to tests from the Streaming Learning Center - an online media consultancy that conducts public seminars on the delivery of net video - Flash is no more of a CPU drain than the HTML5 setup favored by Steve Jobs. The issue is not whether you use Flash or HTML5, says Jan Ozer, who conducted the tests, but whether you back them with hardware acceleration."
- wtf is he talking, html5 or flash are both hardware acceleratedspraycan
- Really?detritus
- they are not HA like a 3d game is but yes they are -> you download a plug or a browser to run it wich runs system ressources.spraycan
- resources.spraycan
- no access for that on a macraf
- but then only devs use macs, normal people buy windows computersraf
- Flash video is not hardware accelerated on the Mac, Adobe blames Apple for not giving accessernexbcn
- Flash is not hardware accelerated on the Mac OS. Apple wants it that way.Mimio
- detritus0
There's a gulf of difference between merely running on hardware and being hardware-accelerated.
*Everything* on your computer runs on hardware; That's what software is.
- Well... I'm ignoring firmware and BIOS stuff, obviously, but that's not what we're discussing here.detritus
- buy a html video cardspraycan
- Dude - he's referring to video/audio codec decompression in relation to HTML5.detritus
- well that's it, you need a video card , no other thing can be called HA herespraycan
- i dont read the full article just what you quoted , i dont have time for the register dudespraycan
- Riiiight. Well, stop talking, then.detritus
- and you are wrong, HA can happen as i said, with dedicated CPUspraycan
- ok. I admit defeat in the face of your searing wealth of knowledge on the subject.detritus
- you need to learn about basic computer architecture dude, CPU and GPU.spraycan
- I know, I know.
*throws away lifetime of involvement in IT*detritus - the paradigm of the CPU and GPU, it was going toward GPU but in the future...spraycan
- .. it looks like everything will go back to the CPU, parallel devicing is no good dude, it enforces corporations ...spraycan
- .. and people who want to destroy open standardsspraycan
- spraycan0
html5 is hardware accelerated
- spraycan0
can people stop using stupid buzzwords as HA as become one of them
- spraycan0
btw i still think Jan Ozer is wrong, where does video HA take place when viewing a video on an html page with flash or the html5 thingy ?
- spraycan0
please elighten me, i want to know exactly how the browser comunicates with the HA device.
- jpea0
here's the quick breakdown for people who didn't read the article (but still felt like they could comment):
- on Windows, Flash player 10.1 has access to H.264 hardware accelerated decoding directly via the OS, thus resulting in H.264 video playback with a much lower CPU usage
- on a Mac, Flash player (any version) does not have H.264 hardware accelerated decoding. The decoding is done in software, thus higher CPU loads than on Windows.Prior to 10.1, H.264 encoded video didn't have any access to hardware accelerated decoding, thus some crappy performance issues and higher CPU loads on both platforms.
The whole debate still doesn't have anything to do with performance issues for video (or any other task) done in Flash prior to the 10.1 version of Flash player. It's only that codec, and it's only with regards to video. So yes, IF you use Windows WITH a video card capable of on-chip H.264 accelerated decoding, then it's a great thing. On the Mac side, hopefully Apple will give the Flash player team an API to use on-chip H.264 decoding (like Quicktime X does, but because it's a plug-in, there's no access to it yet). Currently all apps on the Mac that can do H.264 decoding are tapping into it via Quicktime X (VLC, FCP, etc), but since Flash player is a plug-in, it's a no-go thus far. Maybe soon. Maybe never.
- JazX0
Interesting, as I've been developing a site using SoundCloud's API.
- spraycan0
interesting it's the modern paradigm of cpu and gpu, to take the example of 3d HA , it used to be developped on the CPU, for example with AMD very old techology wich was named super3d (dont remenber its name) the companies where developing dedicated cpu branching (physical design), it looks like this pattern will be back in the future because of the massive power evolution of cpu's.
- ifeltdave0
I'm sick of these arguments. You don't have a funeral for a cancer patient when the doctor tells them they're sick, do you?
Look at this new technology called HTML5.. Flash is dead! Such an ignorant way to think about this.
Flash is relevant today, and is not going away anytime soon. Over time, sure it will go the way of the floppy drive.
Until then, Apple is pulling these arguments out of their asses to mask the fact that they just want more control over their software. Android phones run Flash! HP's tablet will support Flash and AIR! Wake up and smell the Apple-scented turd under your nose.
Don't get me wrong.. I use macs. Love them. Use an iPhone. Love it. But Apple has really got to lighten up on their control.. its going to kill their company in the long run.
- spraycan0
i just got an idea, the future is a cpu wich you could branch little cartridge each one with a dedicated circuit board just like you plug a memory card in a camera.
- THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NINTENDO GAME CONSOLE...SPECTACULAR
- hahaha lolspraycan
- like the daughter cards from back in the day? the only way to upgrade your old mac quarda was a super expensive add on card. total bunk.jpea
- utopian0
When HTML 5 can do this as well and or better then FLASH, I will quit using Flash, until then...
- SoulFly0
Excuse my ignorance, but what is HTML 5?
Seriously, what is it? Do you need an app to run it? or do you build in Dreamweaver? any samples of sites using it?
Thanks
- ukit0
HTML5 is simply the new version of HTML. Look at the top of the document when you create a webpage and it usually says "HTML 4.01" or "XHTML 1.0."
There is a group of people in a magical land somewhere called the W3C, who spend time actually figuring out how HTML should work. Tim Berners-Lee is actually still the official head of that group I believe. So they created HTML1, 2 and 3, and then HTML4 was their last official release, all the way back in 2000 or so.
After that a lot of people decided that integration with XML was the most important thing to focus on, so they spent a lot of time creating a new language called XHTML, a version of XML which looks pretty much like HTML, but can be read by an XML parser.
After a few years of pounding away at this a lot of the people who were actually having to work with HTML and websites in their businesses were getting frustrated that actual HTML wasn't progressing faster, so they were like fuck this shit, and some of the people from Apple, Mozilla, and Opera went and formed a second group, called WHATWG or WHATWJD or something, to help work on it.
So the two groups joined up and started working on HTML together, leading to HTML5, the first effort in ten years to introduce actual new features into HTML. It will introduce a bunch of new tags, the most basic ones being semantic layout tags. So instead of writing <div class="header">, you will finally just have a <header> tag, <footer> tag, and tags for navigation and content.
The flashier stuff is things like a <video> and <audio> tag. There is also something called <canvas> which is a bitmap animation capability right in HTML. You will also have the ability to edit HTML on a site from the user end, detect a user's exact location, store data offline more efficiently, and other more technical stuff.
- ukit0
Also, to answer your questions
Do you need an app to run it?
You need the same app you need to run HTML 4, a browser;) The trouble is that all browsers don't yet support all the features of HTML5.
Do you build it in Dreamweaver?
Like any HTML, it's just text. You could build it in Dreamweaver, Coda, Visual Studio, Textmate, Notepad, or Microsoft Word for all anyone cares.
Any samples of sites using it?
I posted a bunch of examples here. They are all the more fun, flashy examples, rather than the layout stuff, but you get the idea.
- dijitaq0
just wait until advertisers starts to embed sound and video in html5 websites....