Does HTML5 really beat Flash?
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- SoulFly0
ukit - thanks for that- clarifies a lot
I kept thinking it was more towards animation heavy like Flash... I wasn't sure why people is saying HTML5 would make Flash irrelevant.
- raf0
"After a few years of pounding away at this a lot of the people who were actually having to work with HTML and websites in their businesses were getting frustrated that actual HTML wasn't progressing faster, so they were like fuck this shit, and some of the people from Apple, Mozilla, and Opera went and formed a second group, called WHATWG or WHATWJD or something, to help work on it."
This is what happens when expansion of future technology is constricted to the hands of a group of random vocal people who are mostly interested in speaking at conferences, rather than letting aggressively competing private businesses kill each other over it, for the benefit of the customer.
I have flown with Richard Branson's airline, I haven't with NASA. I have no doubt which one will take me to the moon for reasonable money in 20-30 years.
HTML5 in terms of technical capabilities is merely approaching what Flash 4 did 10 years ago, it is laughable in a fast developing medium the internet is. Flash 4 had image rotation, webkit introduced it a year ago. It is still non-standard, there is no roadmap as to when it would be.
Imagine what HTML would be capable of if it was let alone for market to decide where it should go. I am not going to cry over it, I make good money because I know how fucked up all these "standards" are.
- raf0
Give me:
— Box elements I can center stuff horizontally and vertically within;
— Equal height columns, ideally with text flowing within like it's1995 Quark;
— Auto-stretching vertical-neighbouring elements like tables had;
— "Stretch this element to the max width of its parent element minus sibling elements" setting.Clearly, html/xhtml wasn't designed by designers.
- utopian0
AOL 2.0 BUMP...
- ukit0
Go back and read the history of HTML and you realize that apart from the occassional spurts of genius, it's largely a massive 20-year clusterfuck of wasted opportunities. Some of it maybe was the W3C's fault but a much bigger part was the browser war (that competition you speak of) that occured between Netscape and Microsoft during the 90s. When according to your theory we should have been skyrocketing Richard Branson style into the future, instead they spent 10 years "competing" by adding more and more useless features that they made up separately from the W3C like BLINK, MARQUEE, and other useless crap because they thought customers wanted cool, flashy, blinking sites with neverending scrolling text.
Now obviously you want to involve the industry in some way so it's good that Apple and Mozilla stepped up. What we are getting with HTML5 is finally a way to write HTML in a way that makes sense, which is great. I mean, if you think about it, what kind of fucking sense does it make it be writing <div class="header">, "<div class="nav"> and all this other useless shit. And then add in your separate outside technology every time you want to play a video or make an object move across the page. It's like a house where the roof is leaking, but instead of fixing it or building a new roof, you just kept adding more and more buckets to hold the water, and occasionally installing some random thing like a glowing lava lamp or a strobe light in the corner of the room to distract people.
This is holding the web back from being as good as it should be. Right now for instance when search engines index your site, they go in and try to make sense of what is, from their point of view, at least 50% completely arbitrary gibberish. They can pick out some key words and content, but they never REALLY know where the header is, where the global navigation is, etc. Imagine how much better search would be if it actually had that info. And actually not just search - because this extends to all kinds of things where sites exchange data, or to cases where data needs to be displayed in an alternate format, like mobile, TV, screen readers, augmented reality, tons of stuff.
So once you see how worthy of a goal that is, I just think these arguments about whether or not we should replace Flash with HTML5 is ridiculous. Having a standard tag for video and audio is a tiny subset of this overall "fix" of HTML, but just in a design sense, they are important ones to add in.
- Hombre_Lobo0
Lukus_W -
"Apple doesn't want flash, because it reduces their ability to regulate the applications available for the device. Imo, the 'performance' issue is just an excuse."i would agree whole heartadly,
some disagreed with you lukus and mention battery usage in flash and how it hogs the cpu etc.But bare in mind a lot of Sony Ericsson handsets have an OS / interface thats built and runs in Flash lite. It might not be full flash, but im still not buying apples BS, you can code AS well and produce low resource apps.
- Pixter0
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