BNP on Question Time
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- pillhead0
This should make fun TV watching for tonight, I wonder if anyone go's ape shit. As for the BNP, will all know there sad people, with even sadder political ideas.
- vespa0
Youtube version:
- yeah, watched this. Horrible stuff.Jnr_Madison
- i wonder how it would have been had the moved into a posh area...felizfeliz
- even i would have had abuse from those tracksuit wearing kids. and i'm white english.felizfeliz
- detritus0
I love how sure of your positions you all are - how the immigration debate has been so neatly bound to racism in its absolute form. Don't you, upon dear life, dare question the legitimacy (both accepted and implied) of Britain's great experiment with immigration over the last 50 years (oh yes, of course, we've always been an 'immigrant country', how churlish of me to ignore multiple thousand years of immigration, eh? - except it's not. It never was - we've had a handful of 'major waves' of immigration, the sum of which don't even begin to shadow the meagrest fraction of a contemporary years' allowance).
Personally, I think the immigration debate (or lack thereof) has been hijacked by over-earnest idealists and money men, who couldn't give two figs about the morality of the debate. They're only interested in pushing their own agendas - in bullying people who don't share their opinion and in maintaining lower wages, respectively.
Me? I think there are already too many people on this little island of ours, so I want an end to mass immigration. End of. I don't see how it benefits Britons themselves, and I don't see how they were ever given a voice in what is, one of the biggest questions any society should ask itself. The recently announced projections of 71m citizens in the near future terrifies me, frankly - I really, really, really don't see how sustaining so many human consumers is in our interest. Really. Population size is the rather large elephant in the room where the environment is concerned.
Oh, and as for the original question - I don't like the BNP, as they appear to be mostly filled with thugs, goons and morons - but, rightly or wrongly, they were voted in as part of the democratic process and should be allowed to have their say.
Personally, I'm curious to see how much of a societal debate it actually encourages, if any.
- mikotondria30
Despite my vehement opposition to all forms of violence and intolerance, and religious or racist bigotry, when it comes down to the massive great kick-off that Britain will become, between the chavs and the muslim teenagers, I'd choose burkahs and 5am parayer calls over burburry caps and donk music anyday.
- Didn't you leave?detritus
- i don't want either, thank you very much.hans_glib
- I did leave, but maintain family and friends and interests there.
I grew up on the biggest housing estate in europe.mikotondria3
- Beeachboy0
We live in a democracy, and they are democratically elected. Just because we dislike their views, that does not mean that they cannot air them. The advantage of free speech is that it encourages debate and freedom of thought, not just what one group wish them to say. As much as I loathe their politics they are free to promote their views as long as they do not incite racial hatred (which they don't) or condone violence to achieve their aims.
60million people died to save the world from Nazism (not facisim) and the over riding factor was that our life of freedom should not be impinged upon by anyone else. Just because we dislike what the BNP stand for, that does not mean that we should neuter them. They should be defeated by intellect and passion, not by idiots like the UAF who feel that they have a god given right to decide who is allowed to speak and who is not - and that philosophy is more akin to Nazism than what the BNP espouses
- lowimpakt0
nice one for your views Detritus.
Immigration isn't just a British debate although the structure of the immigration into the Britain reflects its colonial past.
One of the founding principles of the EU if the free movement of people and I would defend this principle to my grave.
i may be biased in this debate because I am an immigrant in the UK but i just happen to be a white western european immigrant.
- vespa0
i wouldn't choose either.
people should just live and let live.
- lowimpakt0
the whole britishnees/economy/immigration debate is fascinating.
I sat through a presentation by Charles Leadbeater that showed that lots of the British Economic "institutions" (Triumph Cars, ICI, Moss Bros, Madame Tussauds, Granada and ITV etc etc) are in fact the result of immigration(s)
- Ianbolton0
how come a good percentage of the people in the UK have no interest in politics, or care about watching the news, but have strong opinions as to who should be running the country. I guess some people have better things to be doing with their lives than worrying just how fucked up things could really be.
Shame innit?
- kezza_20
should be interesting...
pick it up tomorrow
- Khurram0
FWIW, i don't think the BNP are a threat to anyone.
The Tories tried to play the immigration card in the last election under Howard - and failed miserably. Thankfully, this country is decidedly centre-left, despite how down-trodden the BNP think the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes and Norse of this country are. You know, the only ones with a right to be called "indigenous".
- mikotondria30
can someone in the uk set me up a vpn or a screenshare so I can watch QT ? :)
- i will. but how do you do that? and what is that?Khurram
- isakosmo0
i think it often gets forgotten that the 'british empire' exploited hundreds of thousands to make it the country it is today
- lowimpakt0
i can't even watch this shit now because I have to out to a gig and get wrecked.
japanese doomstep.
- Khurram0
I wonder how many people in this country actually identify themself as Norse.
"By Odin, my people come from a long line of Norse kings!"
It was a sad day in the history of these isles when the last Norse folk were assimilated under Anglo-Norman tutelage. Sad day :-(
- Cactus0
Odd how some are strangely unmoved by the dissolution of the identity of certain cultures and passionately opposed to the same thing happening to others.
- http://api.ning.com/…Khurram
- I CAN'T SEE MY OWN REFLECTION!!!!gjd
- who said that? Personally I just don't like people being attacked because of their race, no matter what race.vespa